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pip review assessment

pippip Posts: 72Member Connected
edited November 2016 in PIP, DLA and AA
ive an appointment for a pip review at a local assessment centre, a welfare adviser is taking me and sitting in with me, any advice please to get a fair assessment, I'm quite worried, not sure what to expect or to say.thankyou.

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  • BenefitsTrainingCoBenefitsTrainingCo Posts: 2,681Member Pioneering

    Hello

    Firstly, it is great that you have an adviser to go with you to the assessment.

    In regards to the assessment, it is likely that you will be observed walking to the assessment room from the waiting room, so do not put on a brave face, if you need to stop due to pain, or breathlessness then stop.  Secondly, if you have letters from hospital specialists or discharge notes about your conditions it is worth taking these to the medical assessment and giving them to the assessor at the start of your appointment.

    You will be asked about your diagnosed conditions, your recent operation, the effects of your ill health and what medication you take. You may be asked how you got to the assessment e.g. bus/taxi, and how you manage routine activities e.g. shopping, dressing, washing. When answering questions you need to think about how you are most of the time.  If people help, tell the assessor, people can help physically e.g. by helping you in a bath, and they could also remind you e.g. to take medication. And say what would happen if you did not get this help e.g. forget to take medication or take too much. 

    If you have any aids or you believe that you would benefit from aids e.g. perching stool, rails on your walls tell the assessor.  You may even use things around your home as aids without realising e.g. a sink to hold onto whilst getting up from a toilet.

    When you are giving this information to the assessor, you could ask that they read back what they have written down, to make sure it is accurate.

    You will be invited to take part in a physical examination e.g. reaching up with your arms, and also you may be asked memory questions, or asked to count backwards in 7’s from 100.

    As PIP is a points based system the assessor will then complete a report for the DWP stating how many points they have assessed you as having for daily living and mobility.  You need at least 8 points for daily living and/or at least 8 points for mobility to be awarded benefit.

    I wish you luck.

    Maria

    The Benefits Training Co:
    Paul Bradley
    Michael Chambers
    Will Hadwen
    Sarah Hayle
    Maria Solomon
    David Stickland
  • pippip Posts: 72Member Connected
    edited November 2016
    thankyou Maria, I'm quite worried about it (I suffer mental illness) and doubt I could get to the assessment by myself, so yes it's good the welfare adviser is taking me. 
  • pippip Posts: 72Member Connected
    edited November 2016
    maria I thought of taking past consultant reports with me. 
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  • BenefitsTrainingCoBenefitsTrainingCo Posts: 2,681Member Pioneering
    Hi pip

    I would advise you to take the latest and most up to date consultant reports with you to show to the assessor. There is always the temptation to take everything you have but it's the latest reports they will concentrate on because they will perhaps be the most relevant to how your condition affects you at the present time. Also it's a good idea to show what reports you have to your welfare adviser before you attend the assessment so they can help you to decide what is the most relevant.

    Good luck

    Paul
    The Benefits Training Co:
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    Michael Chambers
    Will Hadwen
    Sarah Hayle
    Maria Solomon
    David Stickland
  • pippip Posts: 72Member Connected
    thankyou, I collected a few and will show to the welfare adviser person first.
  • pippip Posts: 72Member Connected
    another letter from pip people about change of location of assessment, I will take letter to welfare advice person on Monday.
  • pippip Posts: 72Member Connected
    edited November 2016
    welfare adviser who is so helpful contacted our local mp as pip assessors offer an assessment in my local town then keep changing it to somewhere else. 
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  • pippip Posts: 72Member Connected
    They agreed an appointment in my local town, twice changed it. the welfare adviser has contacted the mp.
  • BenefitsTrainingCoBenefitsTrainingCo Posts: 2,681Member Pioneering
    Hi pip, 

    I'm sure your mp and welfare adviser will be on to this but you could consider complaining to the company who do PIP assessments in your area. You can write to ATOS here:

    Atos Healthcare PIP Customer Relations

    PO Box 1006

    Stockton-on-Tees

    TS19 1UL

    [email protected]

    Or if it is Capita, it's here:


    Capita PIP
    PO Box 307
    Darlington
    DL98 1AB

    Email: [email protected]

    Changing your appointment must be causing you a lot of stress and you should point this out, particularly if you've started planning how to attend one location only for them to change it to another!

    Best of luck with it all, 

    Will

    The Benefits Training Co:
    Paul Bradley
    Michael Chambers
    Will Hadwen
    Sarah Hayle
    Maria Solomon
    David Stickland
  • pippip Posts: 72Member Connected
    thankyou. meanwhile is it sensible to ask my GP to write something to support my pip review? we sent off a completed form without one.
  • nanof6nanof6 Posts: 200Member Pioneering
    PIP, you can claim any costs of travel back.hope this helps, good luck.
  • MatildaMatilda Posts: 2,616Member Disability Gamechanger
    If you want to claim taxis fares, Atos have to agree to this before your assessment.  Phone their customer service centre.
  • pippip Posts: 72Member Connected
    I do use taxis locally, doubt i could travel to an assessment in another town by taxi though, I couldn't expect the welfare advice person to accompany me out of town, thankyou for letting me know about the fares. 
  • don4u2001don4u2001 Posts: 17Member Listener
    Hi I want to know how to write to the appeal court for my apparently hearing and challenged the decision
  • BenefitsTrainingCoBenefitsTrainingCo Posts: 2,681Member Pioneering

    Hi pip,

    A letter of support from your GP is always useful to have but as my colleague Paul said, it may be best to show it to your welfare adviser first. It's also best to make sure that a copy of anything handed in at the assessment is also sent directly to the DWP just to make sure that they have all the additional evidence when they make their decision.

    Best wishes

    Michael

    The Benefits Training Co:
    Paul Bradley
    Michael Chambers
    Will Hadwen
    Sarah Hayle
    Maria Solomon
    David Stickland
  • BenefitsTrainingCoBenefitsTrainingCo Posts: 2,681Member Pioneering

    Hi don4u2001,

    I need to know a little more about what benefit it is you are challenging. Perhaps you could have a look first at Scope's benefit information on how to challenge DWP decisions at www.scope.org.uk/support/disabled-people/money/benefits-advice or ring the helpline on 0808 800 3333.

    If you have any other questions after that though please do post back and I'll try and answer them

    Best wishes,

    Michael

    The Benefits Training Co:
    Paul Bradley
    Michael Chambers
    Will Hadwen
    Sarah Hayle
    Maria Solomon
    David Stickland
  • pippip Posts: 72Member Connected
    edited November 2016
    thankyou, I'm to have a PIP review, the problem we have is trying to get an assessment at my home or home town, they keep changing it and my welfare advice person is contacting the local mp.
  • pippip Posts: 72Member Connected
    I'm to have a home visit for PIP review, letter came today.
  • pippip Posts: 72Member Connected
    edited November 2016
    may I ask any advice:
    i have a mental health condition, so I don't know how I'll be with the home assessment, I may get very anxious etc, the appt is anytime between 9 and 12 and that might not be specific enough for the welfare adviser to come, I'll ask her, it would help to have someone.
    do I need to ask my GP for a report, or let them contact him, ive a consultant care plan from September.
    i live with my elderly mum, so I do housework, shop and care for her, but I still have more bad days than good and they affect how I carry out those things and with difficulties, what can I say that's a fair account?
  • MatildaMatilda Posts: 2,616Member Disability Gamechanger
    The DWP's own Guide for Professionals tell assessors what to look for and what to ask - so claimants can get a good idea of what to expect at assessment from this - 

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/547146/pip-assessment-guide.pdf

    Both the CAB and the Disability Rights websites give advice on how to prepare for PIP assessments.  

    The assessor is likely to base many of their questions on your PIP claim form, and diary if you submitted one, with some 'surprise' questions designed to try and trip you up.  If your claim form indicates that you have difficulty doing things on bad days, don't deviate from what you have already said although the assessor will try to get you to contradict yourself.    Go through your claim form, and diary if any, to make sure you remember at the assessment what you have already said in writing.  You can have the form in front of you and refer to it at the assessment.

    If the assessor asks how many bad days you have, it's best to keep it simple and say that, on average, you have four, or more as the case may be, bad days a week.

    If you have already said in your claim form that you do things for your mum, then they'll ask you about that - but stress that you can only really be of much help to her on good days.  Don't exaggerate the amount of help you give to your mum.


  • pippip Posts: 72Member Connected
    thanks Matilda, I hope to see the welfare advice person again quite soon too, I haven't got my claim form, it's a review, I'll have to look at a blank one.
  • MatildaMatilda Posts: 2,616Member Disability Gamechanger
    I assume that a PIP review is just to see if anything has changed since last time.
  • pippip Posts: 72Member Connected
    that's right, the original pip claim was made by paper, can I ask for that again than a face to face? the welfare advice person might well come to the home assessment. it does worry! 
  • MatildaMatilda Posts: 2,616Member Disability Gamechanger
    You could ask for another paper assessment - but it does look as if they want to do a face to face this time.  It could be to your advantage if you are anxious at a face to face as they can see that you have a mental health condition.
  • BenefitsTrainingCoBenefitsTrainingCo Posts: 2,681Member Pioneering
    Hi pip,

    Matilda's advice is useful & I would definitely look at the links she has posted (thanks Matilda). Although you could ask for a paper assessment if they've said they want to see you then that's probably what has to happen. It's good that you've got it at home though.

    Definitely do back your own evidence up with anything else you have; a report from your GP is definitely a good idea. As my colleagues have already said, show any evidence to your welfare advice person first to check it's going to be supportive.

    Examples are always useful - you could keep a diary in the few days running up to the assessment to show how often you are affected by mental health issues & what happens - what you can and cannot do, whether that affects your safety or how reliably you can do things (with reference to the PIP activities, which you can find here).

    Good luck!

    Will
    The Benefits Training Co:
    Paul Bradley
    Michael Chambers
    Will Hadwen
    Sarah Hayle
    Maria Solomon
    David Stickland
  • pippip Posts: 72Member Connected
    thankyou all, a pip assessor came to my home yesterday and the welfare advice person too who has been a great help.
  • don4u2001don4u2001 Posts: 17Member Listener
    Hi Michael sorry for the late reply it's for the pip mobility rate we are challenging for my mum as my mum suffers epilepsy and fibromyalgia she is not well to go for a oral appeal we have asked for a written appeal 
  • BenefitsTrainingCoBenefitsTrainingCo Posts: 2,681Member Pioneering
    Dear don4u2001,
    I can understand why you're going for a written appeal but I'd make it really clear why your mum can't attend. It's useful to get some help with writing the submission (the papers the tribunal look at) so that someone can help you decide which bits of the law to quote and what evidence to include. A CAB may be able to help you with this. 

    It is possible to go for an oral hearing if you have a representative who can go, even if you know your mum can't go, but the tribunal might feel that your mum's own evidence is very important. Judges may adjourn a hearing if the claimant doesn't attend.

    Bearing that in mind, give as much evidence as you can in the paperwork about how your mum's condition affects the activities in the mobility component. Examples of times she has had seizures and/or not been able to go somewhere due to her condition are really useful.

    You can have a look at the points-based system here (the mobility component is in Appendix C). It's useful to relate things your mum can and cannot do directly to the points you think she should get.

    Remember that the tribunal can look at the daily living component too even if your mum has already been awarded that.

    Do ask us if you have more questions about the appeal.

    Will
    The Benefits Training Co:
    Paul Bradley
    Michael Chambers
    Will Hadwen
    Sarah Hayle
    Maria Solomon
    David Stickland
  • pippip Posts: 72Member Connected
    i had a pip assessment at home this week, a welfare advice person came too, the assessor was fair and decent I thought, still I was quite distressed during it and waiting for result now.
  • maggie54maggie54 Posts: 11Member Connected
    My husband was on high rate DLA When he had his pip assessment they told him not to worry as it should stay the same he is severely disabled When we got the letter back they had dropped the payment to standard which means he is over £100 worse .When we phoned them they said they would look into it and it could take up to 6 weeks they asked if he could peel a potato he said yes but he can't do anything with it as he's not safe using the cooker he can't lift anything out or off the hob I phoned them back last week they still have not looked at it I have to call back in 2 weeks and if we don't agree we can appeal which will take more time I am my husbands full time career we did ask our doctor if they could write to them he said if they ask for medical records he will send them. When I told the people at pip they said they don't ask the doctor it's up to us to get the letter so  no one wants to help us we don't know what to do next
  • pippip Posts: 72Member Connected
    edited December 2016
    Maggie I hope they do keep his award the same as he is still severely disabled, there's a benefits advisor on this scope website, it would be good if your GP could help you, its a worry.
  • BenefitsTrainingCoBenefitsTrainingCo Posts: 2,681Member Pioneering

    Hi maggie54,

    Are there any other health professionals you know who might be able to provide a letter of support? Has your husband had a care assessment from the local authority? Sometimes care plans can be very useful in showing the help people need.

    I think it would be best to see if there is someone locally who can help you with this. If you call the Scope helpline on 0808 800 3333 they will see if there are any local agencies who can assist.

    Good luck with the mandatory reconsideration and I hope you hear something soon. Remember you can appeal if the reconsideration is not successful.

    Best wishes,

    Michael

    The Benefits Training Co:
    Paul Bradley
    Michael Chambers
    Will Hadwen
    Sarah Hayle
    Maria Solomon
    David Stickland
  • maggie54maggie54 Posts: 11Member Connected
    Thank you for getting back to me we had a letter today saying there decision stands so we are now going to appeal we are also going to go to  citizens advice to see if they can help 
  • BenefitsTrainingCoBenefitsTrainingCo Posts: 2,681Member Pioneering

    Hi maggie54

    Something to be aware of is that when you make an appeal against a decision the whole of your entitlement can be considered which means there is a risk of an award being lowered or removed as well as being increased. 

    It's a good idea to get help with making your appeal and as well as Citizens Advice some local councils have welfare rights departments that can also help with appeals so worth asking them too. If you are planning on attending a tribunal hearing is it best to go with a representative so ask if they will provide you with that assistance. 

    Please post back on here if you need any further advice. 

    Best wishes

    Paul

    The Benefits Training Co:
    Paul Bradley
    Michael Chambers
    Will Hadwen
    Sarah Hayle
    Maria Solomon
    David Stickland
  • maggie54maggie54 Posts: 11Member Connected
    Thank you I will phone them tomorrow 
  • MatildaMatilda Posts: 2,616Member Disability Gamechanger
    Paul, is it not the case that, in practice, if a tribunal wants to lower or remove an award they have to warn the claimant in advance and tell them that they may at that point withdraw their appeal and keep any benefits already awarded?
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  • BenefitsTrainingCoBenefitsTrainingCo Posts: 2,681Member Pioneering
    Matilda said:
    Paul, is it not the case that, in practice, if a tribunal wants to lower or remove an award they have to warn the claimant in advance and tell them that they may at that point withdraw their appeal and keep any benefits already awarded?
    Hi Matilda

    Yes, a tribunal should give you notice if they are considering lowering an award and thus providing an opportunity to request an adjournment or ask to withdraw your appeal. However, you do need the permission of the tribunal to withdraw the appeal at the actual hearing.


    @BenefitsTrainingCo
    Our local council have stopped benefit advisors,there response to that  was there was not a lot of people asking for help....

    Hi mumof3boys

    I'm sorry to hear that your council has stopped employing benefit advisers especially at a time when the welfare benefits system in the UK is undergoing some of the biggest changes in over 60 years. However, with significant cuts to local authority funding it is becoming more difficult to fund advice and if there is little demand for it then it is even harder to justify.

    Best wishes

    Paul

    The Benefits Training Co:
    Paul Bradley
    Michael Chambers
    Will Hadwen
    Sarah Hayle
    Maria Solomon
    David Stickland
  • MatildaMatilda Posts: 2,616Member Disability Gamechanger
  • MatildaMatilda Posts: 2,616Member Disability Gamechanger
    Hi mumof3boys - I'm somewhat sceptical as to whether there was really little demand for welfare rights advice at a time when more and more people need it.  On the other hand, I didn't know that local councils have (or had) welfare rights departments - so possibly most other people were not aware of this either, so there really was little demand because few knew of the existence of such a service.

    Having said that, a neighbour of mine bumped into the chief executive of my local council and asked him why nearly all council-to-resident interaction has to be done online now.  The reply was that that's what residents want!  The council didn't canvass my opinion.  

    In other words, I suspect that councils are telling fibs about demand for services in order to cut costs.
  • dan20ddfdan20ddf Posts: 39Member Connected
    Hi I've just been approved for a Blue Badge by my local authority but I've only scored 4 points on pip mobility how cone my local authority recognise my conditions without a medical ... but DWP  awarded me four points only how this work .... 
    Read more at https://community.scope.org.uk/discussion/33344/pip-and-blue-badge#5IJcxUvdCCfzQrxD.99
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