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cannabis oil for medical use

maid08maid08 Posts: 307Member, Member - under moderation Chatterbox
edited August 21 in Coffee lounge
an mp who can allow or stop its use stopped it in Britain as not beneficial  she then gives her husband a licence to grow it here for medical use ??exporting the plant for its oil????that's britain and we wonder why our mp.s are doing nothing for us

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  • whistleswhistles Posts: 1,603Member Brian Blessed
    You can buy CBD easily enough in the uk.
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  • whistleswhistles Posts: 1,603Member Brian Blessed
    I don't touch Facebook. It's there a news article on this?
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  • deb74deb74 Posts: 207Member Chatterbox
    hi all. a couple of weeks ago a friend of mine said that using CBD would help me with the pain but i am going to look at other things first. i do think that cannabis sholud be legal though especially for medcal purposes
  • maid08maid08 Posts: 307Member, Member - under moderation Chatterbox
    deb74 said:
    hi all. a couple of weeks ago a friend of mine said that using CBD would help me with the pain but i am going to look at other things first. i do think that cannabis sholud be legal though especially for medcal purposes
    less trouble while useing it than drinking beer 

  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Posts: 3,874Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    Cannabis is a variety of the hemp plant. CBD oil is produce from a strain of hemp which is specifically grown to be have little or no TCH which is the "high" in cannabis

    CR
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  • sandyp196sandyp196 Posts: 132Member Chatterbox
    I support legalising cannabis for pain relief. But I am angry at the flood of articles saying cannabis oil cures cancer and other diseases.  IMO this is just unscrupulous dealers cashing in on disabled and sick people. Cannabis oil is very expensive and I don't believe dealers make it pure either. They make it from the rubbish parts of the plant they don't use for themselves. The same as skunk. 
    I have personal experience of this. My best friend died of cancer in 2014 aged 44. For the last 9 months of her life she lived in poverty because all her disability  benefits went on cannabis oil. During the last stages of the cancer she was bedbound in a hospice with no access to the oil. The doctors struggled to get her pain under control because her tolerance level to conventional medication was by that point very high and as she was dying she was also suffering terrible withdrawal symptoms. So much so that the doctors finally agreed to allow us to get her some oil capsules from the dealer. It made my friend feel emotionally better at least.    
    The cannabis oil definitely helped with the pain but it robbed my friend of her quality of life during thr terminal stage of the cancer. 
    Her doctor tried to help by getting her a prescription for sativax. Her dealer took the prescription and said he couod add it to the oil. Absolute rubbish. He was selling it on Facebook to his dealer mates!       
    I saw the posts myself when I did some research on him. 
    Perhpas CO can cure some forms of cancer although I'm dubious. It definitely has benefits for pain relief. It needs to be legalised to stop people suffering like my friend did. 
    Dealers see disableD and cancer sufferers as an easy and large customer base that needs to be harnessed. 
    Legalising cannabis would stop dealers preying on the most vulnerable in society. 
    Sorry for long post but I feel strongly about this. After what my friend went through I made a promise to myself that anywhere I saw a discussion about the benefits of cannabis oil, I would share her experience, and mine as her friend and carer. I'm still in debt from taking out loans to help her. I did this knowing it wouodnt work but needing to supoort her and help her feel some hope and positivity.   
  • susan48susan48 Posts: 2,013Member Brian Blessed
    Iv used CBD in a few forms, oils and raw, it does me but obviously everyone is different.
    CBD doesn’t get you “high” and give you the effects of cannabis, that the TCH as CR said.
    I feel the government should do more tests/research on this.
    Last week the Kyle Files did a very interesting program on this, a must see.
  • whistleswhistles Posts: 1,603Member Brian Blessed
    Is the Kyle files on catch up? 
    I would use- but- where to get it from that's my issue.
    I don't think I trust online and I certainly wouldn't buy off Facebook. Can't stand that site as it is.
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  • susan48susan48 Posts: 2,013Member Brian Blessed
    Whistles
    I’m not sure if it is whistles but it was on last Monday at 8pm, actually Iv just looked and it is on catch up. I was aired in Scotland though, not sure where you are and if you get the same shows.
    i got it from a vape shop, the raw also and my local pet shop owner, I know it sounds bizarre, he’s so knowledgeable about it. 
    Holland and Barrett are actually selling it, they deliver I think.
    ditto Facebook, I came off it as it actually worsens my anxiety and depression. 
    I hope this helps
  • Maria23Maria23 Posts: 3Member Listener
    edited March 12
    CBD oil can be bought from Holland and Barrett totally legal
  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Posts: 3,874Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    There is lots of info on line so please do your own research.
    Always talk to your care providers before taking any new substance or change of medication

    CR
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  • deb74deb74 Posts: 207Member Chatterbox
    hi. i was amazed top read the last couple of comments about CBD being sold in Holland and Barratt. if i did use it i would definatley but it from them. they would know where it came from and that it didn't have anything else in it. i have just been to my local healthfood shop to buy some msn capsules to see if they ease the pain of my arthritis as they are supposed to be good and i can't cope with the pain at the moment. it is unbearable and i am struggling to walk! 
  • whistleswhistles Posts: 1,603Member Brian Blessed
    susan48 said:
    Whistles
    I’m not sure if it is whistles but it was on last Monday at 8pm, actually Iv just looked and it is on catch up. I was aired in Scotland though, not sure where you are and if you get the same shows.
    i got it from a vape shop, the raw also and my local pet shop owner, I know it sounds bizarre, he’s so knowledgeable about it. 
    Holland and Barrett are actually selling it, they deliver I think.
    ditto Facebook, I came off it as it actually worsens my anxiety and depression. 
    I hope this helps
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  • whistleswhistles Posts: 1,603Member Brian Blessed
    Maria23 said:
    CBD oil can be bought from Holland and Barrett totally legal
    That's a trustworthy place Imo. 
    I would speak to my gp first though because I wouldn't want an adverse reaction with my meds.

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  • sleepy1sleepy1 Posts: 299Member Chatterbox
    Hi all, there was questions asked in parliament yesterday about this very subject, (see link below starting at 21.38) Lord Winston and others put across a very good case why it should be legalized for medicinal purposes.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09w82dy/monday-in-parliament-12032018#

    I have not tried any of these CBD products so cannot really comment as to whether any of them are any good, I would be worried about buying unlicensed drugs being peddled online or otherwise as you really don't know what could be in them.  There is a big difference between pain relief and wanting to get high and that is why the UK gov are dragging their feet over it because I don't think they really understand that the licensed drugs are a completely different thing all together as most of the bad stuff is removed.

    Worth reading this link:

    https://www.gwpharm.com/products-pipeline/sativex-delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol-and-cannabidiol
  • thespicemanthespiceman Posts: 2,323Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    Hello every body the big issue here is not is sorting what is good and what is bad.

    I used to take cannabis in the form of a teabag.  Put into water have a herbal tea, I was in pain due to alcohol withdrawal.

    This growing popularity of any product whether herbal or spice.  Look at Tumeric and Cinnamon the new wonder spices.

    The prices and what you get differ greatly.  My concern is to look at the research. Find much information much as you can. Please can I add I am of the opinion if it helps use it.  Find good reliable source and not the web.  Make sure it is OK and be careful.  Take medical advice.  My issue is the ever growing market for these products.

    The black market the dark web and other unknown sources.  I add that with a caution.  I stopped taking it because of having certain side effects .

    Please one final point I had an issue with supply shall we say.  I am not going to add more than that.

    Is it going to be available NHS and like they do in the USA have licensed dealers.  Probably only to stop the flood of black market offers and products.

    The licensed dealers have issues in the States.  With theft and crime.  Do we want that here.
  • susan48susan48 Posts: 2,013Member Brian Blessed
    I have just ordered the lowest dose from Holland and Barrett, will let you know how I get on as it’s easier to know what I’m taking than the CBD Raw I purchased.
    Its worth £10, hopefully it helps

    Susan
  • sleepy1sleepy1 Posts: 299Member Chatterbox
    Hi @sandyp196, sorry to hear about the loss of your best friend and all the traumatic experience you have both gone through.  You obviously have good knowledge on this subject and I'm sure your friend would be thankful for all your help and be proud that you are sharing your experiences to highlight the disgraceful things that go on!

    The Sativex mouth spray has been licensed I think in the the UK on prescription since 2010 maybe earlier, I asked my pain specialist and neurologist about it because I also have IBS and find tablets hard to digest, but neither had heard of it.  Can I ask did your friend ever get to try the Sativex spray before the dealers took it away?
  • whistleswhistles Posts: 1,603Member Brian Blessed
    susan48 said:
    I have just ordered the lowest dose from Holland and Barrett, will let you know how I get on as it’s easier to know what I’m taking than the CBD Raw I purchased.
    Its worth £10, hopefully it helps

    Susan
    I was just thinking it might be interesting if anyone has put that on the medications list for pip. 
    I am on long term pain relief and I wonder about coming off for an alternative solution. 
    It wouldn't be a good idea to take the oil as well would it? 
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  • susan48susan48 Posts: 2,013Member Brian Blessed
    Whistles, I hadn’t thought of that, on meds list.
    i don’t actually don’t take pain relief, except paracetamol but I’d check first. 
    Susan
  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Posts: 3,874Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    Whistles

    You must talk to your care team before altering your medication.
    They may or may not have an opinion about CBD oil but you should check before using it

    CR
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  • Pippa_ScopePippa_Scope Posts: 3,647Administrator Scope community team
    Hi @whistles, as we are not medical professionals, please make sure you talk to a GP or somebody else involved in your care before altering your treatment. Different medications affect us all differently, and so it's always best to have your seek guidance beforehand.
  • whistleswhistles Posts: 1,603Member Brian Blessed
    Yes I will do. Not touching anything because I am it for a reason. It might just be worth mentioning.

    Plus I don't know how cbd works but I know my medication is twice a day so my guess is its consistent. I do know my gp has said I could try and reduce it, he was leaving that up to me. I know what my pain is like and what I can/ can't manage.
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  • thespicemanthespiceman Posts: 2,323Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    Hello @whistles Hope you get your medication checked out.  Always consider this I know interaction with other necessary medications causes problems.

    Check the information you receive with any medications.  Effects and side effects.

    It is known the herb St John's Wort  has been used with any medication. If used because it effects any medication for depression.

    I considered this because I do not like medications, so looking at options.  Herbal and natural.  There are natural and herbal remedies have the common sense.  I use what I use for me.  Helps me to benefit my lifestyle.  Only after done my own research for my own interests.

    Be aware.  Had to take medication prescribed by my doctors.  She knows my interest and just knows my own health history.  Plus knows have discussed this with her.  After consultation.  Remember small doses of what use I do know are not going to harm me.

    Understand this if you knew for example you knew a herb or spice would help.  For arguments sake chilli lowers blood pressure.  Would you take a large dose of it.  Probably not why, chilli can aggravate stomach lining and causes allergic reactions to lips and mouth, tongue.

    Same with any herb or spice.  Even herbal medicine .  There has been reports of people overdosing on Tumeric and Cinnamon.  Tumeric become trendy, yet it is only safe in small doses.

    Remember body can adjust it self to take more of any drug.  Body tolerance is common and can have effecting the bodies system.  What more of the prescribed drug.

    Consider this you probably know people I do . Whose tolerance to chilli's is amazing.  Can say to me can eat really hot spicy food and the body does not seem to react.  They can tolerate it for a while, with out realising the damage they may be doing.

    I am aware of what is on the web pages and media interest.

    Understand this wish you well in finding a solution to pain relief
  • AmandaBBAmandaBB Posts: 1Member Listener
    Maria23 said:
    CBD oil can be bought from Holland and Barrett totally legal

  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    CBD oil in Holland and Barrett has nothing to do with cannabis.
    It's from industrial hemp .... the stuff they make sacking and ropes frope amongst a host of textiles soaps and all manner of things .... just like they used to in the past.
    Cannabis is the most amazing plant on planet earth and if you'd like to know everything knowable about it and hemp read the following book chapter by chapter on line.
    There's a one hundred thousand dollar reward for anyone who can prove anything wrong in the book.
    It's been there since the original release many years ago.
    The book has been updated but no lawyer doctor scientist cop judge hippie has been able to claim the hundred thousand dollars.
    https://jackherer.com/emperor-3/
    This guy is the one person mostly responsible for the American governments huge changes regarding medical weed.
    He died a couple of year ago .... from cancer.
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  • whistleswhistles Posts: 1,603Member Brian Blessed
    Strangely enough any website in relation to this gets automatically closed by the server.


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  • whistleswhistles Posts: 1,603Member Brian Blessed
    whistles said:
    Strangely enough any website in relation to this gets automatically closed by the server.


    Eta just looked on the website in regards to drug interacting with other. 
    Manufacturers advice in a red box- avoid and severe reaction to cannabis extract. 
    So that's a total no go for me. 
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  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    whistles said:
    whistles said:
    Strangely enough any website in relation to this gets automatically closed by the server.


    Eta just looked on the website in regards to drug interacting with other. 
    Manufacturers advice in a red box- avoid and severe reaction to cannabis extract. 
    So that's a total no go for me. 
    Whistler CBD oil is not cannabis.
    I use it o help with sleep but it doesn't make you feel sleepy ike a pill would.
    It doesn't make you feel anything at all.
    Just when you do get to sleep it helps keep you there.
    Worth asking about interactions of course as anything can interact with medication.
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  • susan48susan48 Posts: 2,013Member Brian Blessed
    I have just got a delivery of CBD, hopefully it helps with sleep as sleeping tablets from my gp don’t.

    time will tell
  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Posts: 3,874Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    Hi susan

    If taking CBD orally then start slowly

    CR
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  • susan48susan48 Posts: 2,013Member Brian Blessed
    Thanks CR
    iv got the lowest dose and as instructed only 3 drops.
    Im desperate to sleep, I truly hope this helps because I cannot cope, I’m exhausted 
  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Posts: 3,874Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    Do not expect a miracle, it may take a few days before you notice any difference

    CR
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • susan48susan48 Posts: 2,013Member Brian Blessed
    Thanks CR,
    Didnt think it would work fast, just hope it helps eventually 

    Susan
  • whistleswhistles Posts: 1,603Member Brian Blessed
    I am contacting my gp and can mention it.
    I need to off my pain relief first, which we had already discussed.
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  • susan48susan48 Posts: 2,013Member Brian Blessed
    Whistles,
    iv not actually mentioned it to my gp, I know I should have but struggling with appointment. Got one Friday, will see how I get on til then. 
    Im desperate for sleep, I’m normally scared of new things but will try this as I’m exhausted 
  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Posts: 3,874Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    I use a topical spray for muscle pain and stiff joints
    For anyone that vapes it is available as a  liquid
    You can also get the hemp leaves/buds to make tea with
    Seeds can be added to food

    But as always please do your own research and take advice from your care team

    CR
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • susan48susan48 Posts: 2,013Member Brian Blessed
    CR 
    i tried vaping but felt I didn’t know how much I was actually taking, hence stopping it in vape form, that’s just me though.
    thats why I’m trying the drops.

    As you say research, every one is different 

    Susan
  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    Hello every body the big issue here is not is sorting what is good and what is bad.

    I used to take cannabis in the form of a teabag.  Put into water have a herbal tea, I was in pain due to alcohol withdrawal.

    This growing popularity of any product whether herbal or spice.  Look at Tumeric and Cinnamon the new wonder spices.

    The prices and what you get differ greatly.  My concern is to look at the research. Find much information much as you can. Please can I add I am of the opinion if it helps use it.  Find good reliable source and not the web.  Make sure it is OK and be careful.  Take medical advice.  My issue is the ever growing market for these products.

    The black market the dark web and other unknown sources.  I add that with a caution.  I stopped taking it because of having certain side effects .

    Please one final point I had an issue with supply shall we say.  I am not going to add more than that.

    Is it going to be available NHS and like they do in the USA have licensed dealers.  Probably only to stop the flood of black market offers and products.

    The licensed dealers have issues in the States.  With theft and crime.  Do we want that here.
    Cannabis isn't water soluble so the only effect you'd get is from any bits that escaped the teabag and you swallowed.
    To dissolve THC you need alcohol or fat or just plain eat it and your body will dissolve it.
    Anyone thinking of trying cannabis needs to know that despite it being termed a sof drug and mostly harmless it is a very powerful mind altering substance. Very powerful.
    An inexperienced user can well feel mentally and emotionally overwhelmed by the experience.
    You might think your going crazy and end up in AnE.
    If you're determined to try it don't do it alone. Do it with a n experienced user who understands this and not all experienced users do understand it.
    Some actually find it funny to see someone inexperienced go into panic mode.

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  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Posts: 3,874Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    There is a difference between cannabis oil and Cannabidiol

    Cannabis oil containing TCH is currently illegal in the UK

    Cannabidiol does not contain the psychoactive TCH but does contain CBD
    This is legal to buy in the UK and does have some theraputic uses.

    It is up to each person to do there own research before trying CBD

    This is not a recommendation just pointing out the difference

    CR
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • Pippa_ScopePippa_Scope Posts: 3,647Administrator Scope community team
    edited March 19
    Hi everyone, just to reiterate: as we are not medical professionals, please make sure you talk to a GP or somebody else involved in your care before altering your treatment- please do not stop any of your existing treatment without seeking advice first. Different medications affect us all differently, and so it's always advisable to seek guidance from somebody with medical training beforehand.

  • sleepy1sleepy1 Posts: 299Member Chatterbox
    Whilst I agree with you Pippa, I doubt many GP's or care givers know the difference between medical use of cannabis or just for recreational purposes. Many will just hear the word cannabis and say don't get involved with that. As  CockneyRebel has pointed out there is a difference and people need to be aware of that before ending up taking the wrong stuff..

    For anyone interested have a read of the links below, there are many others but these ones do give some insight.

    http://www.cannabizteam.com/news/cbdthc

    https://echoconnection.org/difference-cannabinoids-cannabidiol/
  • sandyp196sandyp196 Posts: 132Member Chatterbox
    sleepy1 said:
    Hi @sandyp196, sorry to hear about the loss of your best friend and all the traumatic experience you have both gone through.  You obviously have good knowledge on this subject and I'm sure your friend would be thankful for all your help and be proud that you are sharing your experiences to highlight the disgraceful things that go on!

    The Sativex mouth spray has been licensed I think in the the UK on prescription since 2010 maybe earlier, I asked my pain specialist and neurologist about it because I also have IBS and find tablets hard to digest, but neither had heard of it.  Can I ask did your friend ever get to try the Sativex spray before the dealers took it away?
    Hello yes my friend got it on prescription.  She did use it. It was a mouth spray. But she was taking the oil in large quantities so the sativax had no effect on her at all. Iv never smoked or eaten cannabis, but I tried the spray to see what the effect was. I had a bad migraine and would have tried anything.  It definitely had an effect on me and totally eased my migraine. I asked my doctor if I could have some and he said most definitely not. My friend told me her doctor said he was only prescribing it to her because her cancer was terminal.  
  • sleepy1sleepy1 Posts: 299Member Chatterbox
    @sandyp196 ; thanks for your feedback about the Sativex, I think it was licensed mainly for people with MS and they have found it very useful for a range of other neruological disorders but the NHS seem reluctant to prescribe it.......Maybe due to costs?  Apparently taken a couple of paracetamol will get rid of most pain.......Really!

    In the past I have had a few puffs on that horrible weed stuff that left me sat in a corner unable to speak and do not understand the allure of it at all.  Would still like to try the alternative version that has had all the bad stuff removed to see if it helps. 
  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    Sativex has had nothing removed.
    It is pure cannabis in liquid form.
    It's more to relive spasticity than pain.
    If you smoked and ended up sat in the corner monged then you smoked to much.
    Good news is that kid has been granted a license to have cannabis for medicall use ... that should open the floodgates with a bit of luck.
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  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    The list of medicinal uses for cannabis is huge and the fear for the drug companies is you have a few plants on your kitchen window sill and pull off a couple of leaves to relieve one of the many ailments then you won't be needing their toxic stuff.
    Cannabis can and should replace around fifty percent of toxic industrial medicine.
    Up till the 1930's very strong cannabis tinctures were the norm for many people for all manner of things.
    No one went crazy no one died and the world kept turning.
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  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    edited March 21

    Withington MP calls on government to grant Alfie Dingley medical cannabis licence.


    It's looking like it's going to happen.
    He will get cannabis oil which is about the strongest purest cannabis you can get.
    Highly concentrated.
    About time.
    This hopefully will open the floodgates where we end up with the full legalisation to do anything you wish with the stuff.
    Backed and supported by long time campaigners for full legalisation  Sir Patrick Stewart Sir Richard Branson and Joanna Lumley.
    All three openly admit to smoking weed and having dones so for many years.
    Branson did a double page spread in the Guardian about smoking at weekends with his sons.
    At last the walls of stupidity are crumbling.

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  • deb74deb74 Posts: 207Member Chatterbox
    morning zoro. i was about to mention that little boy. you beat me to it. i am a supporter of the liberal democrats they have always said if they get into government one of the first things they would do is legalise cannabis.
  • whistleswhistles Posts: 1,603Member Brian Blessed
    zoro said:
    whistles said:
    whistles said:
    Strangely enough any website in relation to this gets automatically closed by the server.


    Eta just looked on the website in regards to drug interacting with other. 
    Manufacturers advice in a red box- avoid and severe reaction to cannabis extract. 
    So that's a total no go for me. 
    Whistler CBD oil is not cannabis.
    I use it o help with sleep but it doesn't make you feel sleepy ike a pill would.
    It doesn't make you feel anything at all.
    Just when you do get to sleep it helps keep you there.
    Worth asking about interactions of course as anything can interact with medication.
    I know it's not. 
    The site would be referring to the oil, that's why it's written extract,  it's unlikely to tell you that an illegal substance mix is a bad idea. It's illegal. That's a bad enough idea for a start.
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  • sleepy1sleepy1 Posts: 299Member Chatterbox
    @zoro Hello you seem to know a lot about this subject, when I tried cannabis years ago it was purely recreational and not for medicinal purposes (before I became ill) most of my friends who were in high paid jobs were rolling/smoking joints and I guess it just depends what dose you get when a joint is passed to you.  (uncontrolled)?  As you will no doubt know it can affect people in many different ways and my experiences were not good so decided no thanks keep that stuff away from me.

    Fast forward a few years (after I became ill) and looking for alternative pain relief from the normal toxic prescription drugs that do very little other than give me terrible side effects, I came across Sativex, at first I thought yuk its that horrible cannabis stuff, but on reading further and doing a bit of research they have formulated a method that removes the psychotic chemicals thus allowing beneficial pain relief without turning you into a zombie, (or monger).

    https://www.gwpharm.com/products-pipeline/sativex-delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol-and-cannabidiol

    Recent debate in the house of Lords, scroll down to 3.00pm.  I digress, you have Dr/Lord Winston speaking with many years of medical expertise telling them of the benefits for relieving pain.  Then you have Lord Young basically saying he doesn't know sod all about it but after speaking with professional medical experts there is no medicinal value to be gained from cannabis in its raw form??

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2018-03-12/debates/1e232cb9-b1ee-40ce-aafe-cf531289dc80/LordsChamber
  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    sleepy1 said:
    @zoro Hello you seem to know a lot about this subject, when I tried cannabis years ago it was purely recreational and not for medicinal purposes (before I became ill) most of my friends who were in high paid jobs were rolling/smoking joints and I guess it just depends what dose you get when a joint is passed to you.  (uncontrolled)?  As you will no doubt know it can affect people in many different ways and my experiences were not good so decided no thanks keep that stuff away from me.

    Fast forward a few years (after I became ill) and looking for alternative pain relief from the normal toxic prescription drugs that do very little other than give me terrible side effects, I came across Sativex, at first I thought yuk its that horrible cannabis stuff, but on reading further and doing a bit of research they have formulated a method that removes the psychotic chemicals thus allowing beneficial pain relief without turning you into a zombie, (or monger).

    https://www.gwpharm.com/products-pipeline/sativex-delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol-and-cannabidiol

    Recent debate in the house of Lords, scroll down to 3.00pm.  I digress, you have Dr/Lord Winston speaking with many years of medical expertise telling them of the benefits for relieving pain.  Then you have Lord Young basically saying he doesn't know sod all about it but after speaking with professional medical experts there is no medicinal value to be gained from cannabis in its raw form??

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2018-03-12/debates/1e232cb9-b1ee-40ce-aafe-cf531289dc80/LordsChamber
    Yes I do know a lot about the subject.
    Medical marijuana is top quality cannabis with nothing removed.
    Sativex is pure cannabis in a liquid form with nothing removed except the plant cellulose.
    Sativex comes complete with THC Delta 9 ... the party bit.
    CBD oil from Holland and Barrett is not cannabis.
    No high or low or any other mental or emotional effect.
    To much CBD you get the trots.
    Yes you can get high from Sativex should there be enough in the spray bottle.
    Hemp seed cooking isn't cannabis either.
    Your sheets and shirt may well be made from hemp but you can't smoke your bed or your shirt and get high.
    The cannabis oil this little bot will be getting is cannabis oil .... one of the purest and strongest forms going and rarely seen on the streets these days.
    The damn has finally been breached.

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  • sleepy1sleepy1 Posts: 299Member Chatterbox
    Hello again @zoro, thank you very much for your reply I hope you are feeling better now the damn has been breached (or have I read that wrong?)
    Have got a bottle of the oil from H&B described as a food supplement containing 2.75% CBD but not tried it yet.

    Have not tried the Sativex either, got an appointment with my neurologist soon and was going to ask about trying it as I thought it would be safer due to it being licensed but don't think I will bother now so thanks for the heads up. 
    Enough problems already and my party days are well and truly over (sigh). 

    Like most people with chronic pain I am just looking for something to ease it so I can have some quality of life and do normal things without being spaced out.
  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    sleepy1 said:
    Hello again @zoro, thank you very much for your reply I hope you are feeling better now the damn has been breached (or have I read that wrong?)
    Have got a bottle of the oil from H&B described as a food supplement containing 2.75% CBD but not tried it yet.

    Have not tried the Sativex either, got an appointment with my neurologist soon and was going to ask about trying it as I thought it would be safer due to it being licensed but don't think I will bother now so thanks for the heads up. 
    Enough problems already and my party days are well and truly over (sigh). 

    Like most people with chronic pain I am just looking for something to ease it so I can have some quality of life and do normal things without being spaced out.
    If you follow the dosage as on the tin of Sativex you shouldn't get high but Sativex is prescribed more for spasticity than pain.
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  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    The damn has been breached if this little boy gets his license meaning medical cannabis won't be far behind and then full legalisation.
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  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    Portugal have decriminalised all street drugs including heroin and what has happened?
    Drug use has collapsed just as in Spain and Holland.
    Holland have full control of drugs and prostitution so the use of class A drugs like heroin has plummeted.
    The average age of a heroin addict in Holland is in the fifties but here it's in the twenties meaning young people are not taking to it in Holland.
    Holland are having to close down prisons and lay off staff while Britain wants to build ever more of them.
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  • susan48susan48 Posts: 2,013Member Brian Blessed
    Can I ask zoro, can CBD oil help with sleeping?

  • sleepy1sleepy1 Posts: 299Member Chatterbox
    Where do they get these stats from?  As if dealers and users will be filling in online feedback forms or writing to whoever to let them know??
  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    edited March 26
    susan48 said:
    Can I ask zoro, can CBD oil help with sleeping?

    I've started using it recently as a number of people I know advised me to try it for pain relief ... nothing.
    Works for some but not for me but it is definitely helping me sleep.
    Doesn't make you feel sleepy like a toxic tablet would.
    You feel nothing at all on CBD.
    But a drop under or on the tongue and hour before bed is helping.
    It's helping to the point the bedding hasn't moved by morning and I'm finding I'm quite often waking up on the side I fell asleep .... have'nt moved or hardly and feel relaxed and refreshed.
    It was twenty quid a bottle till a couple of weeks ago now it's a tenner but it won't last at that price.
    No heavy head in the morning is good.
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  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    sleepy1 said:
    Where do they get these stats from?  As if dealers and users will be filling in online feedback forms or writing to whoever to let them know??
    Good question.
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  • susan48susan48 Posts: 2,013Member Brian Blessed
    Zoro,
    im taking sleeping tablets but still not sleeping,
    i have CBD oil there, tastes disgusting but will try it again,
    stopped taking it as I expect miracles, no patience.
    I understand everyone is different etc.
    Thanks of the info

  • Lasian_ScopeLasian_Scope Posts: 660Member Chatterbox

    Hi everyone,

    I just wanted to put a reminder that although users can discuss their own medical situation and experience, we are not allowed to post medical advice/instructions.

  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    susan48 said:
    Zoro,
    im taking sleeping tablets but still not sleeping,
    i have CBD oil there, tastes disgusting but will try it again,
    stopped taking it as I expect miracles, no patience.
    I understand everyone is different etc.
    Thanks of the info

    I find it impossible to count how many drops I've put in my mouth so drop them on my hand and then lick it off. I find my wrist easiest.
    I tastes like I would expect wet garden rubbish to taste but I think I've gotten used to it now.

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  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    Don't forget this stuff isn't going to make you feel sleepy.
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    @Victoriad
    iv not used it since meds change
    it taste horrible 
  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    edited March 26
    Victoriad said:
    but it is definitely helping me sleep.

    zoro said:
    Don't forget this stuff isn't going to make you feel sleepy.
    Hello @zoro
    A bit of contradictory advice going on here!

    Is CBD oil making you sleep or not?

    Victoriad said:
    but it is definitely helping me sleep.

    zoro said:
    Don't forget this stuff isn't going to make you feel sleepy.
    Hello @zoro
    A bit of contradictory advice going on here!

    Is CBD oil making you sleep or not?

    It helps you to sleep.
    It doesn't make you feel sleepy. 
    No contradiction.
    A pill may make you feel drowsy this stuff doesn't make you feel anything at all.
    You have it an hour before going to bed.
    Go to bed get a better nights sleep.
    Doesn't work for everyone.
    Some people have to take it daily for a few days before any result.
    If you take it and don't go to bed it won't make you sleepy and impair you in any way.
    If your woken in the night by the baby crying you won't be feeling drowsy from the oil because you don't feel anything from the oil.
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  • whistleswhistles Posts: 1,603Member Brian Blessed
    Enjoying the discussion but everyone needs to run this past their gp if on meds already.
    I need to be careful what over the counter stuff I buy.

    I am off my pain relief, GP monitored. Not touched anything as a replacement. It's only a week. Ask me that in a month!
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  • whistleswhistles Posts: 1,603Member Brian Blessed
    susan48 said:
    @Victoriad
    iv not used it since meds change
    it taste horrible 
    Talking of taste I have used homeopathic and bach. 
    Found either to be complimentary but not always a great taste. 
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  • sleepy1sleepy1 Posts: 299Member Chatterbox
    Is there anything that helps with staying awake and gives an energy boost?  I get lots of sleep but wake up each time feeling more tired
  • whistleswhistles Posts: 1,603Member Brian Blessed
    If it's not med side effects, I would glance over the lifestyle.
    Coffee, not hydrated enough, diet, uncomfortable bed.
    You might think you gets lots of sleep but to wake up more tired suggests its not quality sleep.
    Changing my pillows-ah bliss. 
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  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    edited March 26
    I can't seem to post a reply
    Right so I just did but I've tried to post replies regarding bulletproof coffee and ....

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  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    sleepy1 said:
    Is there anything that helps with staying awake and gives an energy boost?  I get lots of sleep but wake up each time feeling more tired
    Try bulletproof coffee

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  • elsabellelsabell Posts: 9Member Listener
    There is absolutely no thc  in the cbc oil that's can be purchased legally here in the UK the one they sell in Holland and barrett isn't very strong and pretty foul tasting didn't help me at all but there is defo reputable dealers you can purchase Charlottesville Webb is one but I would always discuss it first with your gp .
  • sleepy1sleepy1 Posts: 299Member Chatterbox
    Hi @whistles, thanks for your reply.  Your right it is poor quality sleep think I use up so much energy doing all manner of things that I could never do in the real world. Got a nice bed and good pillows, no coffee and stopped meds.

    If only I could record some of the stuff I do in my sleep Scorsese and Tarantino would be fighting to get the copyrights 
  • whistleswhistles Posts: 1,603Member Brian Blessed
    One day they will able to record our dreams so we can watch it back. Most likely Google will get their first. They have virtual realities and headsets on the market.

    It's annoying if I wake before the dream is finished. Bit like missing the ending of a film. 
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  • whistleswhistles Posts: 1,603Member Brian Blessed
    zoro said:
    sleepy1 said:
    Is there anything that helps with staying awake and gives an energy boost?  I get lots of sleep but wake up each time feeling more tired
    Try bulletproof coffee

    Is that actually a brand? 
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  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    edited March 27
    Right I just saw a little message pop up.
    My posts are being moderated for some reason.
    I only recently landed here but it looks like I may be taking off again.
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  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    sleepy1 said:
    Is there anything that helps with staying awake and gives an energy boost?  I get lots of sleep but wake up each time feeling more tired
    You ever hear of bullet proof coffee?
    It used to be in heavy use in the Himalayas for trekking hundreds of miles across mountainous terrain.
    Make a cooffee ... in my case good old instant Nescafe original but you can use any kind you want.
    Sugar sweetener or none at all however you usually have it but ... you bung a tablespoon of unsalted butter in and stir away. Sounds quite awful but it tastes quite normal. Butter is only cream that has been agitated a lot.
    I swear the first time I tried this I felt like Id had an illegal substance!
    Wide wide awake and very alert.
    Massive mental lift that is so obvious.
    It's used by dieters who are on low carb high fat diets .... like me .... who may or may not have diabetes.
    Best information from users of the coffee that I know are here ... you'll have to type into their search function. https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/category/type-2-diabetes.25/
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  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    On diets?
    Well the hot fat .... butter in this case makes you feel full for quite some time while injecting a mass of energy into you.
    I can have one around 8 a.m and have no thought of food till around 4 p.m.
    No snacks no nothing.
    The low carb high fat diet has helped me to more or less turn my T2 diabetes around.
    No more medication.
    No more blood pressure medication.
    No more statins.
    Great blood sugar control.
    Normal blood pressure.
    Lowered bad cholesteral.
    Hightened good cholesterol.
    Am I some kind of miracle?
    No lots doing it.
    I haven't cured the T2 I've most of the time switched it off.
    Right now my blood sugars are out of control which happens every time I have an infection.
    I have an infection.

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  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    sleepy1 said:
    Is there anything that helps with staying awake and gives an energy boost?  I get lots of sleep but wake up each time feeling more tired
    Bulletproof coffee. Instant will do. Do a search on here about it ....  https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/category/type-2-diabetes.25/
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  • zorozoro Posts: 66Member Talkative
    whistles said:
    zoro said:
    sleepy1 said:
    Is there anything that helps with staying awake and gives an energy boost?  I get lots of sleep but wake up each time feeling more tired
    Try bulletproof coffee

    Is that actually a brand? 

    No it's coffee with a tablespoon of unsalted butter stirred or frothed into it.
    Any coffee will do.
    I've made a couple of posts tonight with more detail but they disappeared.
    So I'll look in tomorrow and maybe add more .... easy to look up.
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  • Pippa_ScopePippa_Scope Posts: 3,647Administrator Scope community team
    Hi @zoro, your posts were automatically being marked as spam due to the links used, however I've now approved them all and they should all be restored above for you! 
  • sleepy1sleepy1 Posts: 299Member Chatterbox
    Thanks @zoro, very interesting and will give it a go........Hmmm now where did I put my walking boots ; )
  • whistleswhistles Posts: 1,603Member Brian Blessed
    zoro said:

    Withington MP calls on government to grant Alfie Dingley medical cannabis licence.


    It's looking like it's going to happen.
    He will get cannabis oil which is about the strongest purest cannabis you can get.
    Highly concentrated.
    About time.
    This hopefully will open the floodgates where we end up with the full legalisation to do anything you wish with the stuff.
    Backed and supported by long time campaigners for full legalisation  Sir Patrick Stewart Sir Richard Branson and Joanna Lumley.
    All three openly admit to smoking weed and having dones so for many years.
    Branson did a double page spread in the Guardian about smoking at weekends with his sons.
    At last the walls of stupidity are crumbling.

    Just read that they are not going to issue another percription to this boy.

    https://news.sky.com/story/stopping-boys-treatment-with-medicinal-cannabis-could-kill-him-11381153
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  • OldMotherTuckerOldMotherTucker Posts: 8Member Listener
    Interesting - I love a good cannabis debate! Even though sativex is available on perscription, you need to be referred to a pain clinic and have suffucient cause that no other treatment/combination is effective. Then there is the price . . £375 - for 270 drops. That is out of most people's reach.

    I have never believed that cannabis is the greatest of painkillers but I know from experience that it can help and it has at times, reduced my dependency on other perscribed drugs.


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  • debbiedo49debbiedo49 Posts: 1,681Member Chatterbox
    Ive recently started using hemp oil which is supposed to help with pain but also helps with anxiety etc. Its too early for me to tell. 

    This too shall pass!
  • FibrozapperFibrozapper Posts: 1Member Listener
    I started using Holland & Barrett oil but it didn't do anything for me and gave me bad diarrhoea so I found this new company. Here is more information, https://www.herbigold.com/?ref=Sue.bussell68
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