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susankaysusankay Posts: 12Member Whisperer
Hello. This is my first post. Dwp recieved my ar1 form 2nd august. I phoned them 3 weeks ago and my form was with the DM. I have heard nothing since. Any ideas as to how long they take

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  • SaracenSaracen Posts: 45Member Whisperer
    Have u had an assessment?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 2,925Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    Most people have face to face assessments even for reviews. Have you had one of these? If so then there's no timescales to decisions, it depends on backlog in your area.
  • susankaysusankay Posts: 12Member Whisperer
    No I haven’t had an assessment
  • susankaysusankay Posts: 12Member Whisperer
    8 weeks seems a long time to wait for an apointment
  • JO2907JO2907 Posts: 19Member Whisperer
    Hi susankay sorry to but in on your post, but i am in the same situation as you at the moment. Can you help me? I sent my pip review form back 3 wks ago, did they let you know they had received it or not? because i'm worrying now that is hasn't got there!!. Thank you Jo2907
  • susankaysusankay Posts: 12Member Whisperer
    I have never had any communication from them. Give them a ring and they will tell you the date they received your form. That’s what I did. Some people get text messages from them but I never have. 
  • JO2907JO2907 Posts: 19Member Whisperer
    Thank you for your reply. I've never received anything from them previously either. Have you heard anything from them yet?. I'm just wondering how long the wait is this year!!
  • susankaysusankay Posts: 12Member Whisperer
    It’s 9 weeks now. Will be 10 weeks on Thursday since they recieved it. 
  • debbiedo49debbiedo49 Posts: 1,954Member Chatterbox
    You are in for long haul unfortunately 

    This too shall pass!
  • JO2907JO2907 Posts: 19Member Whisperer
    I suppose it depends on backlog in each area especially now there suppose to be reviewing all the people who have been underpaid in the past. I'm in Leeds, but 10 wks is a long time, thought you might have had a letter for a f2f appt or decision by now. Please update this post when you do and Good Luck!!
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 1,688Member Chatterbox
    Made more difficult for the claimant because of the DWP moving staff around to various other benefits to prop them up. 
    I would hate to guess what the staffing levels are like now in terms of numbers, excluding agency staff, when compared to 10/15 years ago bearing in mind the extra work load increasing year on year.
    As an example and why I jumped ship and retired from the Civil Service earlier than I intended. Pre 2008 in my department of 52 investigators and support staff we had a work load maximum of 12 new cases a month to investigate and clear. By 2009 the department reduced the number of staff down to 24 and investigators were then expected to take on and clear 24 cases a month. That was me gone! 

    It is much like the young lad trying to plug the leaks in the dam using only his fingers and toes.
  • JO2907JO2907 Posts: 19Member Whisperer
    Hi Yadnad Very True your last Statement. None of us Claimants have a Clue what goes on behind the DWP walls. Thank you for your insight it was Very Informative. At least while i'm waiting for the duration they are still paying me, so i can at least save a bit more money until they send me for a f2f. I have to think that way otherwise i would have a Nervous Breakdown!!
  • Heidi415Heidi415 Posts: 7Member Listener
    Hi I am in a similar situation to you. DWP received my AR1 form on Tuesday 7th August and I have yet to receive an assessment date or award. The only communication I have had was a text a few days after sending the form to say they had received it. Do you think it is taking longer than usual because every claim has to be looked at again due to the mental health and journey planning change? I know they say it can take up to 16 weeks but this hasn't been my experience in the past. I am driving myself mad worrying about it, second guessing what is happening.
  • JO2907JO2907 Posts: 19Member Whisperer
    Hi Heidi your Lucky i haven't even received a text to say theyv'e received my form, so i'm praying they have. I think that Reviews will be taking longer as i read somewhere that there dealing with people they Refused it down to Mental Health first, but who knows for definite?. I don't even know if they will Review my case as i currently get Standard rate for Mobility and can't take a journey so according to new ruling should get Enhanced. But i'm same as you driving myself mad with worry not knowing what's happening!!
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 2,925Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    The changes to following and planning a journey won't apply to everyone and it doesn't mean you'll be awarded Enhanced mobility, it totally depends on how your conditions affect you.

    There's not timescales to decisions or assessment waiting times. The 16 week guide is just a guide and means nothing. It could be much longer than this. Expect a face to face assessment whether it's a review or first claim because most people have them.
  • JO2907JO2907 Posts: 19Member Whisperer
    Hi Poppy i'm not Expecting to get Enhanced was just thinking with me being reviewed now they might look at it again with a view to the New Ruling.
    I am also Expecting another f2f as well.
    I posted to try and find out how long people are waiting roughly for a f2f from sending there Review Form in. But thank you for your input.
  • sarah50sarah50 Posts: 87Member Talkative
    @JO2907 hi in my case I had my review form at the beginning of May had my f2f in mid June. The decision was made on the 19th September but I didn't receive that letter until the 27th. But as has been said there seems to be a wide variation around the country.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 2,925Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    JO2907 said:
    Hi Poppy i'm not Expecting to get Enhanced was just thinking with me being reviewed now they might look at it again with a view to the New Ruling.

    Yes they will because that's what they do for a review, they reassess you. Waiting times for assessments vary across the country, depending on backlog in your area.
  • Heidi415Heidi415 Posts: 7Member Listener
    Thank you for replying. I fully expect to have a face to face assessment as I did with a previous renewal. I didn't realise the 16 weeks was only a guide. I do not expect to hear back til at least the end of November. The DWP have stated they are prioritising claims that were disallowed over claims already in receipt of awards which is understandable. We are lucky that at least we will still receive payments, it is just hard living in limbo. I have found this renewal far more stressful than my initial claim or first renewal. I was just trying to gage how long people are waiting in between sending off the forms and having the assessment.
  • JO2907JO2907 Posts: 19Member Whisperer
    @sarah50 thank you very much. So you waited roughly 6 wks till f2f, but like you say there is a wide variation around the Country. As @susanRay has been waiting 9 weeks and still waiting. If anyone from Leeds is waiting after sending there Review form, i would be Very Greatful to hear from them then i'll have a better idea. But thank you to Everyone who has Responded!!
  • JO2907JO2907 Posts: 19Member Whisperer
    @Heidi415 this is my 1st renewal but knew that a f2f would def be happening lol. Like you i think there prioritising the people that were refused the 1st time. But where still getting paid but doesn't make it any easier with the worrying. Your right i find this renewal worse than my initial claim, i think its because where left in limbo. From a couple of posts it seems from 6wk to 9wk and longer depending what Area you live, so god knows. All we can do is keep updating our posts i think till we hear anything, that way it will give us some insight rather than None At All!!
  • sarah50sarah50 Posts: 87Member Talkative
    Well my reassessment didn't go well I have been denied pip and because of their stupid postal system and the time limits that are imposed on us but not them, they work to guidelines that they don't have to stick to, I have had to apply for a mandatory reconsideration. Without the benefit of my report. I now have a copy of the report and it varies from inaccurate to down right lie. I don't expect DWP to change their decision based on the MR and I've got no clue how long it will take for that decision to come through but I will be taking it to tribunal again no idea how long that will take but someone I know here in the southwest waited 9 months. My pip has stopped altogether as of the 19th the date of the decision. Happy days debt here I come.
  • sophella8sophella8 Posts: 7Member Listener
    I have recently been awarded PIP and the whole process took 13 weeks until i recieved a decision its one of them where you have to be very patient 
  • JO2907JO2907 Posts: 19Member Whisperer
    @sarah50 really sorry to hear that you got denied pip. Was this a Review of your Original Claim?. 
  • sarah50sarah50 Posts: 87Member Talkative
    @Jo2907 hi it was a review, I was originally awarded pip until Feb 19 but in May 18 they sent me a review form as I said they stopped it on 19 Sept. So award length doesn't mean that much either does it. So angry with the whole process at the moment 😠
  • sarah50sarah50 Posts: 87Member Talkative
    @sophella8 hi your claim was very quickly sorted did you get any help with your claim?
  • JO2907JO2907 Posts: 19Member Whisperer
    @sarah50 Jesus no the award length obviously doesn't mean nothing at all. I can only imagine how angry you are😣😣. If you don't mind me asking, what are your Problems?
  • livonialivonia Posts: 31Member Whisperer
    I applied April decision in July . I’m still waiting on esa review decision also submitted in April 
  • SaracenSaracen Posts: 45Member Whisperer
    Hi all 
    This is my wait so far im in south wales .
    Recieved my review form 4th april, I asked for a three week extension because cab were doing it for me , had my f2f in early august they recieved my assessors report 21st, phoned and had a copy the following day wow couldnt believe it came that quick ,
    According to assessors report he gave me 13 points care and 18 mobility . Phone on numerous occasions still no decision yet but have been told by Dwp at least I got some money coming in .
    Its been 7 weeks since they 6 months from start hope this helps some of you good luck.
  • sarah50sarah50 Posts: 87Member Talkative
    @JO2097 hi, no I don't mind I have Fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome along with the resulting depression from having such a reduced life.
  • JO2907JO2907 Posts: 19Member Whisperer
    @sarah50 thank you for replying. I have had Severe Depression for years and just been diagnosed with Fibromalgia and IBS, so i know how it effects you. After your Outcome i'm not holding out any hope at all Now!!. Please keep me updated of how you get on with your MR etc, because i'm sure i will be in the same boat shortly and any tips would help. Message me anytime if you want to talk about anything.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 2,925Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    PIP isn't awarded based on a diagnosis, it's about how your conditions affect you daily and you can't compare 2 people because we're all affected differently even if we have the same conditions. I claim PIP for fibro and other conditions because of they way i'm affected by them. Lots of other people claim PIP without any problems for fibro and mental health conditions. Good luck with your claim.
  • sarah50sarah50 Posts: 87Member Talkative
    @JO2097 try not to worry as poppy said it is about how your conditions affect your daily life not your diagnoses. You can only go through the process and respond accordingly.
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 1,688Member Chatterbox
    JO2907 said:
    @sarah50 thank you for replying. I have had Severe Depression for years and just been diagnosed with Fibromalgia and IBS, so i know how it effects you. After your Outcome i'm not holding out any hope at all Now!!. Please keep me updated of how you get on with your MR etc, because i'm sure i will be in the same boat shortly and any tips would help. Message me anytime if you want to talk about anything.
    Main disabling condition for people in receipt of PIP (normal rules):  
    634,000 (36%) were recorded with ‘Psychiatric disorders’ (which includes ‘Mixed anxiety and depressive disorders’ and ‘Mood disorders’).  
    372,000 (21%) were recorded with ‘Musculoskeletal disease (general)’ (which includes ‘Osteoarthritis’). 


    Taken from DWP stats

    A total of 57% of all claimants with an award  will have either Psychiatric disorders or Musculoskeletal disease
  • sarah50sarah50 Posts: 87Member Talkative
    @JO2097 Fibromyalgia is classed as a chronic pain condition for pip,
  • medwaymummedwaymum Posts: 9Member Listener
    edited October 8
    It can take a very long time and as others say no case is the same but I would always phone them if you have not heard and appeal straight away if they dont get back to you also everyone has an assessment, I have found they often put wrong things about people and you need to put this in an appeal ,depression does effect your life big time, I hope you get it eventually. 
  • JO2907JO2907 Posts: 19Member Whisperer
    @Yadnad Thank you Yet Again for your Valueable Information. I'm Definitely more Inclined to Listen to Your Input as i'm Sure with you having Worked for the Civil Service you have the EXACT Insight and Information that people NEED, rather than people who just think they know Everything because they've been Awarded it!!. Thank you
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 2,925Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    sarah50 said:
    @JO2097 Fibromyalgia is classed as a chronic pain condition for pip,
    PIP isn't awarded based on a diagnosis, it totally depends how those conditions affect you daily. Everyone is different and you can't compare 2 people.
  • JO2907JO2907 Posts: 19Member Whisperer
    @poppy123456 yes we already know that its based on how your condition affects you daily as youv'e already said on your previous post. I think i'll just be leaving it to the person who's job it is to Assess me and Yadnad's Valuable Advice thanks.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 2,925Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    edited October 8
    Yadnad's valuable advice... not being nasty here but this persons PIP claim was refused and the information he gave you was just stats from the internet...
  • JO2907JO2907 Posts: 19Member Whisperer
    Sorry do you work for the DWP?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 2,925Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    No! I claim PIP and ESA myself and my daughter claims PIP also. Thank you!
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 2,925Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    Before this gets out of hand i'll end it here but wish you good luck with your claim.
  • JO2907JO2907 Posts: 19Member Whisperer
    Yes I also Claim PIP and ESA. So like i say i'll listen to the Advice I Find Valueable. Thank You!!
  • debbiedo49debbiedo49 Posts: 1,954Member Chatterbox
    @JO2907 please treat others on here with respect as we are all here to help each other. This is a forum where we speak through our own experiences and nobody claims to be experts or work for dwp. @poppy123456 is only trying to help and if you look on other topics she does same. If you don't like the advice don't take the advice. Your choice. 

    This too shall pass!
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 2,925Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    @debbiedo49 thank you very much! Much appreciated, i was only trying to help. Seems like we can't please everyone.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 2,925Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    JO2907 said:
    Yes I also Claim PIP and ESA. So like i say i'll listen to the Advice I Find Valueable. Thank You!!
    I find your comments rather hurtful and uncalled for. I was only trying to help and never said anything bad or disrespectful to you.
  • JO2907JO2907 Posts: 19Member Whisperer
    Really Sorry if i've Offended Anyone it wasn't my Intention. But like @debbiedo49 has said its my Choice which Advice I Choose to take i think. Thank you
  • tru88letru88le Posts: 13Member Whisperer
    sarah50 said:
    Well my reassessment didn't go well I have been denied pip and because of their stupid postal system and the time limits that are imposed on us but not them, they work to guidelines that they don't have to stick to, I have had to apply for a mandatory reconsideration. Without the benefit of my report. I now have a copy of the report and it varies from inaccurate to down right lie. I don't expect DWP to change their decision based on the MR and I've got no clue how long it will take for that decision to come through but I will be taking it to tribunal again no idea how long that will take but someone I know here in the southwest waited 9 months. My pip has stopped altogether as of the 19th the date of the decision. Happy days debt here I come.
    From initial decision to second tribunal assuming the first tribunal goes wrong for some reason it was two and a half years for us and ended today with  enhanced care and mobility award. Double win
    Over £10000 due
  • Firefly123Firefly123 Posts: 55Member Talkative
    It seems to be a postcode lottery wish us all luck coz there seems no clear rules even when you fit their criteria 
  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Posts: 434Member Chatterbox
    Yadnad's valuable advice... not being nasty here but this persons PIP claim was refused and the information he gave you was just stats from the internet...
    @poppy123456 I can agree with this one too. He has not once but twice, no it was three times and he will tell us himself...😷 I'm keeping my trap shut lol....💤


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  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 1,688Member Chatterbox
    edited October 9
    Yadnad's valuable advice... not being nasty here but this persons PIP claim was refused and the information he gave you was just stats from the internet...
    @poppy123456 I can agree with this one too. He has not once but twice, no it was three times and he will tell us himself...😷 I'm keeping my trap shut lol....💤
    Absolutely and why? Because I received no advice or help from anybody in completing the claim forms or attending the face to face assessment because there were no agencies locally to give that help unlike yourself that had the availability of multiple agencies  where you shopped around looking for the best advice source.

    The way I had to work the claims was by trial and error.

    The first two failures were changed at MR stage from 0 points to enhanced care & mobility!
  • tru88letru88le Posts: 13Member Whisperer
    I don't think your illness itself or your symptoms matter much it seems to be about how or if you can manage or need help.
    That's why people with one leg or no legs sometimes get declned, it's because despite everything they say they can manage just about and that will scupper the claim.
    If you can manage that's that.
    If you  need help to manage that will help your claim.
    They don't care if you barely scrape through alone.
    It's what help you need.
    Don't know how this became a row.
    In my experience claims fail because they don't get enough proof with the application, the more the better, if people put as much effort into the beginning as the appeals they would fare better.
    I was guilty of this too, just gave names of docs etc, didn't give health visits and appointments receipts for proof of travel etc costs, nurse appointments, incidents and problems you had and when and where.  there's so much more you can send them at the start  and then they rely less on the damn f2f who just lie, I don't know why but they do.


  • susankaysusankay Posts: 12Member Whisperer
    Well it will be ten weeks tomorrow since DWP received my AR1 form. I thought this was to make the review process quicker. I will up date you all when i finally hear something from them. Best of luck to you all with your claims.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 2,925Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    There's still backlogs and that adds to the time.
  • sarah50sarah50 Posts: 87Member Talkative
    @tru88le you are probably right but I knew nothing of the PiP system before I was Obliged to rely on it. Nobody from the DWP lets you know what to do, it's here's the form get it back to us by..... My original claim went through fairly smoothly. I had no idea my reassessment was going to be this hard, I mistakenly believed that because my condition hasn't changed I would be treated in the same way as I was before. After reading some of the experiences on here I should not have been so naïve. But the process is hard enough now my health is declining I have to do all the phoning and running round gathering stuff to prove I'm not a liar. It even said in the report that they had six pieces of evidence but only considered four so even if you supply the evidence they ignore the bits they don't want to look at.
  • tru88letru88le Posts: 13Member Whisperer
    One thing that messed us up was this: we let them turn 'can't do it' into 'can do it with prompting'.
    That fact alone caused us two and a half years of hell for one poinr.
    If yr unsure they understood ask to see what they wrote.



  • sarah50sarah50 Posts: 87Member Talkative
    @tru88le I totally agree I was struggling at f2f and now months on reading the report HCP wrote she has done exactly that, I remember her repeatedly asking certain questions in different ways to try to get at a particular answer, in most of the descriptors she has written that I reported no particular problems doing this activity. . . . Well I did or I wouldn't have been there renewing my pip, I would have said when I got the form that things were better. Everything I said has been twisted. Now I feel I need to be a benefits expert and a legal expert and find a load of strength that I just don't have. Never been very forceful at getting my needs across, I feel people either try to understand or they don't and I just don't push things. You almost have to aggressively persue your claim with a tenacity I'm just not used to. X
  • YadnadYadnad Posts: 1,688Member Chatterbox
    sarah50 said:
    . Now I feel I need to be a benefits expert and a legal expert and find a load of strength that I just don't have. Never been very forceful at getting my needs across, I feel people either try to understand or they don't and I just don't push things. You almost have to aggressively persue your claim with a tenacity I'm just not used to. X
    More and more people are just giving up with the whole thing. If it was just an assessment and then a Tribunal to get to the right answer, but the process is never ending. You probably have less than 2 years in between these assessments etc. The sheer scale of what is expected of the individual is beyond a joke. Who really should be expected to prove and re-prove their entitlement every couple of years?
  • tru88letru88le Posts: 13Member Whisperer
    sarah50 said:
    @tru88le I totally agree I was struggling at f2f and now months on reading the report HCP wrote she has done exactly that, I remember her repeatedly asking certain questions in different ways to try to get at a particular answer, in most of the descriptors she has written that I reported no particular problems doing this activity. . . . Well I did or I wouldn't have been there renewing my pip, I would have said when I got the form that things were better. Everything I said has been twisted. Now I feel I need to be a benefits expert and a legal expert and find a load of strength that I just don't have. Never been very forceful at getting my needs across, I feel people either try to understand or they don't and I just don't push things. You almost have to aggressively persue your claim with a tenacity I'm just not used to. X
    At least you know your enemy now.
    I think it's part of the process now tbh, you have to navigate the manipulation and untruths of the assessors to reach the tribunal where you will finally be heard by humans with no vested interest beyond being fair.
    Use the time to fine tune your reasons and resist the urge to waste time on the unfairness of the early process. :-)


  • sarah50sarah50 Posts: 87Member Talkative
    Thankyou @Yanad Thankyou @tru88le head going into tailspin, I need to forget about it for a bit and just wait for MR decision, regain some strength and plan the next battle 😵
  • susankaysusankay Posts: 12Member Whisperer
    Text message today saying they had received my review form. 10 weeks after getting it!!! My oh my. Waiting now for f2f appointment. They surely make us work for this small but essential benefit. 
  • susankaysusankay Posts: 12Member Whisperer
    Text message today saying they had received my review form. 10 weeks after getting it!!! My oh my. Waiting now for f2f appointment. They surely make us work for this small but essential benefit. 
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