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Discrimination - No housing benefits for SDP recipients !!

apollo14lmpapollo14lmp Posts: 31Member Whisperer

Hi,

Not at all sure about this one. Am on ESA SG with Enhanced PIP both components - Get SDP with ESA SG but live in a full UC area but still claiming legacy benefit - as I will soon be able to get housing benefit whilst remaining on ESA till I get UC migration next year some time (never I hope).

Question is this is the fact that the DWP know SDP recipients cannot get housing benefit in my circumstances discrimination ?? Not many will be affected but cannot get any legal advice as the tory scum are making sure were well screwed over with no one to help !



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  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Posts: 2,896Member Brian Blessed
    If you get housing costs via HB they will be included in your UC calculation so you’d need to be a bit more precise about what it is you think you’re losing out on apart from SDP.
  • apollo14lmpapollo14lmp Posts: 31Member Whisperer

    Hi Im on ESA live in full UC area but have not been able (or wish to) claim UC

    So Im on ESA still not getting paid HB as Im still claiming legacy benefit

    So I don't any housing benefit since March when I moved .. the DWP know and the council know - they know Im in receipt of SDP so marginalising me … aware of my situation - cant claim UC due to UC database issue - and would lose SDP !

    In a perfect storm situation till they legislate to allow people like to stay on legacy benefit and allowing a HB claim to be possible at that point …

    This govt are worse than anything I can remember Mc Vey and May worse than that Thatcher woman !

  • Government_needs_reformGovernment_needs_reform Posts: 505Member Chatterbox
    edited October 8
    @apollo14lmp
    You ain't wrong there Thatcher is a princess compared to McVile and May and we ain't seen nothing yet of what these horrible vile creatures will stoop too.

    Personally I think this pair are the lowest of the lowest and lower than lower can go. Believe me something really needs to be done before it's to, to late?

    They are like parasites stuck to the bottom of my shoe.💩💩💩💩💩


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  • apollo14lmpapollo14lmp Posts: 31Member Whisperer

    Parasites please don't insult parasites I prefer them to the self servatives !

    These "people" are beyond contempt - bet May doesn't love Esther much ! As we know our Esther lost her seat in Wirral (hahaha). The "Con" party then conveniently find Gideon Osbournes very safe seat is about to become free - so they give the seat to Esther then get her back on the front benches !  Tatton Con folk would vote for a "Cat" as long as it was a "Con" ..

    Bet the con lovers in Tatton really get loads of sense of out the lovely Esther she seems to have lost her scouse accent too - must be having elocution lessons - who on earth could make this nonsense up - more twisted and corrupt than 1 ten bob note .. I wont use this platform as vehicle for my total contempt for these people - I don't know how they sleep at night ! scum rotten to their core - karma will soon find them !

  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Posts: 2,896Member Brian Blessed
    When you moved did you move within a UC FS area or across to a different area which is UC FS? If you moved within an area then you retain your legacy ESA and can claim HB. If you crossed a border then that would trigger a new HB claim which ends your ESA and forces you to claim UC and UC housing costs.
  • apollo14lmpapollo14lmp Posts: 31Member Whisperer

    I moved to a different area - which is UC FS …

    I have stayed on my legacy benefit - and not claimed UC ! used our SDP to pay rent costs - UC is Universal Chaos best avoided !

    Will not be able to claim UC soon as I get SDP .. and my legacy (ESA) would be protected …

  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Posts: 2,896Member Brian Blessed
    Ah right. So you definitely can’t get HB. 
  • apollo14lmpapollo14lmp Posts: 31Member Whisperer

    But in the difficult circumstances not paying HB could be discrimination … ?? but not sure who deals with discrimination no proper help or advice and sources limited by this vile govt … Im sure this is discrimination ..this whole system is screwed up - by the party for everybody ! She (the dancing queen lol) must be deluded if she thinks anyone who has dealings with the DWP will ever vote for her hope this govt collapses and soooon !


  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Posts: 2,896Member Brian Blessed
    The problem you have with a discrimination claim is that they’ve not compelled you to do anything. You’ve elected to not claim UC and deny yourself housing costs help. The help available for those costs barely differs between UC and HB so...
  • apollo14lmpapollo14lmp Posts: 31Member Whisperer

    I agree not compelled but if I claim UC I would lose my SDP payments .. which total c £126.00 a week as we are in a couple.  IF I claimed UC

    So there is the issue of not being able to claim HB my rent is £120 a week so I am using the SDP to pay the rent if you like.

    They are aware of our situation - and as they are making SDP recipients ineligible for UC till managed migration occurs my present situation is awkward. So they should amend the rules and allow SDP people to get HB not too difficult for them that ..

    These people have created a perfect storm for us doing this .. not compelled to claim UC but left essentially with no SDP due to their fun and games ! as Im paying my rent with it …

    Why leave people without access to HB funding at all - this should not happen - know what they are doing to a people with complex illnesses so in mind they ar...e creating a situation with discrimination as the (MY)choices here only apply to disabled people

  • kami24kami24 Posts: 73Member Whisperer
    ok so i want to move back in with my mum as i feel totally alone and have borderline personality disorder and autism so i need her , it will be in the same county and i claim p.i.p and  jobseeker's allowance currently even though its not realistic for me to work in the future due to mood swings and having 33 jobs previously under my belt because of my disorder but no new claims of esa are accepted anymore so not sure about that anyway my question is will i be moved onto UC and will i get sdp still and will my mum have an option to claim carers allowance because shes not moving its only me moving to her or will she be forced onto UC too as she is on jobseekers currently as well????
  • kami24kami24 Posts: 73Member Whisperer

    I agree not compelled but if I claim UC I would lose my SDP payments .. which total c £126.00 a week as we are in a couple.  IF I claimed UC

    So there is the issue of not being able to claim HB my rent is £120 a week so I am using the SDP to pay the rent if you like.

    They are aware of our situation - and as they are making SDP recipients ineligible for UC till managed migration occurs my present situation is awkward. So they should amend the rules and allow SDP people to get HB not too difficult for them that ..

    These people have created a perfect storm for us doing this .. not compelled to claim UC but left essentially with no SDP due to their fun and games ! as Im paying my rent with it …

    Why leave people without access to HB funding at all - this should not happen - know what they are doing to a people with complex illnesses so in mind they ar...e creating a situation with discrimination as the (MY)choices here only apply to disabled people

    totally agree with you UC is a disaster if it cuts disabled peoples money as most of the time they are the most vulnerable and already poorest in society ....so sad
  • apollo14lmpapollo14lmp Posts: 31Member Whisperer

    Hi if you are claiming Severe Disability Premium and still claiming legacy benefits like me (ESA IR), and living in a full service UC area some slight good news.

    On January 16 th 2019 no one claiming SDP will be able to claim UC and will be managed migrated to UC at some point in the future (Never hopefully) onto UC at which point you will not lose your SDP when you are out on UC.

     https://www.housingsystems.co.uk/News/Latest-News

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/draft-universal-credit-managed-migration-regulations-2018-ssac-report-and-government-statement/the-universal-credit-transitional-provisions-managed-migration-amendment-regulations-2018-letter-from-the-secretary-of-state-for-work-and-pension

    I have had to pay my own rent for a year with the help of family and so on. The gateway conditions will change on 16.1.2019 so if you have a change of circumstance you will still get your ESA SDP in a full service UC area …

    I hope that from January I will be able to claim my housing benefit once the gateway conditions change.

    This is just my own take not on it an expert (yet).. …

    Hate this vile government will never forget these vile rats for what they have done to me my family and most of all my health. I hope that the scum fall soon and there is a general election and no one votes for May and the rest of the spoilt millionaire vermin rats .. I hope that they all rot in hell .. and that is too good for these excuses for human beings .. self serving gutter scum …

    Brexit might just be their day of judgment .. worked all my life payed tax and NI for 35 years to be treated like this rot in hell May and the rest of you rats !.. damn you all ..


  • Tressell1Tressell1 Posts: 5Member Listener
    I am so glad I have seen this post as i thought I was the only one going though this ! I've been in tears since Friday night when my Housing Association called to tell me as no rent has been paid they are in the process of taking me to court to evict me !

    I was told I have the choice to stay on my legacy benefits (SG ESA & PIP) by ESA and not to change over until I get a letter from them telling me to change over during managed migration . UC said not to apply as I'd be losing about £45 per week and told me to send an appeal to my council but by then it was already too late . This is all because my HA decided to take 2 months to give me my tenancy agreement , the last piece of evidence the council were waiting on for my change of address from my old flat in the same borough that was in receipt of housing benefit!. We went to court in early May so I could succeed the tenancy of my late Mother ,I won , but to spite me they didn't give me my tenancy agreement until July, and they knew June 20th was when my Local Authority became a full UC area.
    This has left me with no money to pay my rent (£160 pw) and in significant arrears . I'm paying what little I can a month but its a drop in the ocean.

    I quite agree with the OP , and have been so angry for months when I think about how people like us have not been accounted for in this disgusting mess of an overhaul that clearly isn't working ! Why give us the choice to stay on legacy benefits if it means we won't have housing benefits !? And they wonder why homelessness is at a horrific level !? No doubt because of situations like this!

    My only choice now is being forced back into work , which will cause a breakdown due to mixed anxiety and chronic depression. 
    For the last two nights I've been fighting the urge not to take an over dose. I have to take medication just so I can get to and stay asleep as I'm numb from stress and still grieving my Mother .
       
    I am so sick of them spouting the same lies when faced with evidence they are leaving the most vulnerable poor and destitute !

    My heart is aching when i think of those forced on to this horrible 'benefit' who will have nothing this Christmas .

    The sooner these evil demons are out the better !
  • apollo14lmpapollo14lmp Posts: 31Member Whisperer
    edited December 2

    Tressell1 - Im glad my post has brought you some peace - Im sorry you have had such awful times during the past few days. I always find talking help I have plenty of support and hope you do too. Please keep your chin up these **** tories might soon be gone - Labour will be asking for a vote of confidence if May cannot pass Brexit Bill - From all I have read I hope she fail and they fall from power.

    I believe that the legacy with no HB is discriminatory but these rats we deal with are very clever sly devious rats .. they well know the game they play ! so sly they would rat on their own mothers - look how they treat the PM that Rees Mogg knocks me sick he is a [edited by moderator] rich man worth over £100 million taking a pittance off sick and the poor - Scrooge he is  .. they are all worse than gutter **** - I hate them .. pure simple hatred of them … that May women is just vile … awkward break dancing vile .. she gives me the creeps  … they have made my life a nightmare for 5 years now … sadly we are not alone ..

    They did not want to "account " for me and you and others this was all done cleverly to make you go to work and not claim a  penny off them wether you can sustain work they do not care  - they don't care who lives or dies the more that they fail and  destroy the happier they are ! they did not wish to account for us they mean to destroy us .. they do not account for strength in the face of adversity and that is were they sometimes fail - people like you taking a stand to them !

    They are worse than anything I have ever seen - WCA falsified by so called Health care "professionals"  same with PIP .. could not make this up

    I hope you are feeling better with this good news - but if you feel so down please seek advice from Samaritans or medical professional  don't become a victim of these vile tories … I hope you can resolve you housing issues Im sure you will with the correct help …  

    I suffer generalised hypertension  OA, gout, Atrial Fib, PTSD and depression and I know how you feel - I could not work at present no way - I m trapped …I know how you feel  ...

    Good luck chin up and stay strong - wishing you all the very best …. life will get better …..



  • apollo14lmpapollo14lmp Posts: 31Member Whisperer

    I hope that the people moderating the comments here are not affected by the tory rats who are destroying peoples lives as I speak. Starving people with universal credit, and denying them benefit after using WCAs which are skewed in favour of the DWP by lying so called medics …   

    I have used the words Pompous - that is someone who is solemn self important, scum is just a word for "dirt" if you think these words are offensive then Im glad your not here when I talk about these people - pompous and scum are not words I use when I speak about these tory rats …

    I used no offensive language or swera words just trying to help people and I suffer PTSD and you must understand these people are making me so ill I may end up in hospital for Xmas ….

    ******** ??? when referring to tory rats - that is mild .. when you feel the way I do ..

    I do however hope that you do not fall foul of the tory rats .. as you might start calling them pompous or scum at the very least …

    Enough said wont post here again

    ***************



  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Posts: 2,896Member Brian Blessed
    Easy to forget the Labour Party introduced the WCA isn’t it! Equally easy to forget that the Labour Party have literally no clue as to what to offer as an alternative to UC. 
  • Charlie123Charlie123 Posts: 3Member Listener
    Hello,

    I have been long term sick for 15 years since a teenager. I have always lived with parents but am looking at the potential of getting a flat. However, I am in a full UC area. If I apply for HB I will be migrated to UC (currently on IR ESA SG and PIP) which looks the only option? This is ok. But also though sadly it seems I won't get the SDP which is substantial. I know that there is some protection for people already on this, coming into effect - but is there anything for people who have never claimed it?

    At present I am applying for carers allowance instead for my parents to claim, but ideally I would have preferred to get SDP myself and wondered if this is being looked at at all? I presume I can stop the carers allowance if there was a chance. To live alone will cost me so much more and yet the cutback - for no reason - is huge. I hope this somehow gets fairer as most people who hadn't been forced to trigger a switch to UC would get this and it is protected.

    Many thanks

    Charlie



  • Tressell1Tressell1 Posts: 5Member Listener

    Tressell1 - Im glad my post has brought you some peace - Im sorry you have had such awful times during the past few days. I always find talking help I have plenty of support and hope you do too. Please keep your chin up these **** tories might soon be gone - Labour will be asking for a vote of confidence if May cannot pass Brexit Bill - From all I have read I hope she fail and they fall from power.

    I believe that the legacy with no HB is discriminatory but these rats we deal with are very clever sly devious rats .. they well know the game they play ! so sly they would rat on their own mothers - look how they treat the PM that Rees Mogg knocks me sick he is a [edited by moderator] rich man worth over £100 million taking a pittance off sick and the poor - Scrooge he is  .. they are all worse than gutter **** - I hate them .. pure simple hatred of them … that May women is just vile … awkward break dancing vile .. she gives me the creeps  … they have made my life a nightmare for 5 years now … sadly we are not alone ..

    They did not want to "account " for me and you and others this was all done cleverly to make you go to work and not claim a  penny off them wether you can sustain work they do not care  - they don't care who lives or dies the more that they fail and  destroy the happier they are ! they did not wish to account for us they mean to destroy us .. they do not account for strength in the face of adversity and that is were they sometimes fail - people like you taking a stand to them !

    They are worse than anything I have ever seen - WCA falsified by so called Health care "professionals"  same with PIP .. could not make this up

    I hope you are feeling better with this good news - but if you feel so down please seek advice from Samaritans or medical professional  don't become a victim of these vile tories … I hope you can resolve you housing issues Im sure you will with the correct help …  

    I suffer generalised hypertension  OA, gout, Atrial Fib, PTSD and depression and I know how you feel - I could not work at present no way - I m trapped …I know how you feel  ...

    Good luck chin up and stay strong - wishing you all the very best …. life will get better …..



    Thanks so much ! Felt much better reading your reply too! I know this is just their way of trying to claw back money from the most venerable people ( to fund what I don't know ! Certainly not the people of this country ! ) 

    It sucks being stuck at home I know , at this time of the year anxiety keeps me cooped up indoors this is what these devils fail to understand, we need to extra money for things like cabs and buying food online because certain tasks are difficult for us to handle ! They're using brexit as a distraction from the destitution they have caused us ! How can you expect us to live on £317 pm !?

    I read an article where a woman said they awarded her £98pm! 

    My step mum and Dad have done a joint application and get £248pm and that entire amount goes straight on the shortfall in their rent , leaving them to live on his pension .
    Who in their right mind would willingly change to this nonsense!? 

    I let out a whoop of joy this week when I read about the vote of no confidence being submitted .

    We have just got to look after ourselves the best we can and pray they're booted out asap . 
    Wishing you all the best x
  • Pippa_ScopePippa_Scope Posts: 4,873Administrator Scope community team
    Hi @apollo14lmp, I just thought I should clarify that explicit language is automatically censored on the forum after you post your message.

    We want to keep the community a safe and supportive place for everybody, of all ages, and so this is done as a precaution, rather than being a reflection on the content you're posting or the discussion in question. Hope this helps to clarify things.
  • apollo14lmpapollo14lmp Posts: 31Member Whisperer
    Pompous is not exactly explicit .. explicit to me means rude vulgar swear words .. pompous deleted automatically is bit sad really ...
    No explicit words were used .. 
    Im not the one bringing out policies that starve kill and threaten peoples lives... making sick people starve wait for uc for weeks.. pompous was me being nice about that creature .... he disgusts me they all do .. hope they all lose their seats sfter tuesday if vote goes ahead ...
  • teejays1617teejays1617 Posts: 5Member Listener
    I  would like to thank Apollo141 for pointing out the COMPLETE TRUTH  about
    how discrimatory and devious this government has been towards disabled people.
    I was made homeless and put up by a friend for 3 weeks whilst on SDP and on ESA. Redditch Council found me a place to live and would not grant me Housing Benefit on the old legacy benefits. Ive been forced to pay full rent for over a year.
    Costing over £4,000.Ive been forced to go to food banks and my own serious health problems have deterioated. I suffered a major heart attack and my neuropathic problems connected to my diabetes have got much worse. I have tremors in my hands and had to ask a friend to type this out on the computer.
    I also have severe anxiety and depression treated with medication. I thought there was hardly any light at the end of the tunnel but you APOLLO141 have given me hope that the new gateway conditions in January might give us fresh hope.
    I know countless people that voted Conservative but because of what they have done will never vote for them again.I just hope Labour and the SNP join forces to bring about a better government who cares about its own people.
    Surely not allowing us Housing Benefit is breaking the Human Rights rules
    Is It ?
  • apollo14lmpapollo14lmp Posts: 31Member Whisperer
    edited December 11

    Hi Teejays I am glad this news brings you some joy ! bad enough living with  horrible health conditions, and then you have these disgusting tory creatures (that's what they are creatures)  waging war on you.. I do hope you get a resolution to your housing situation I have lost count of the amount of rent I have paid since last April. But cannot cope much more … roll on January !

    I am annoyed that people have removed words I used (not swear words !) regarding the self serving Conservatives that rule this land.

    Perhaps the people doing this should try putting themselves in our position ! paying your rent out of nothing   .. losing their home whilst suffering complex health conditions - I wonder sometimes were some people live ? in another world I think sometimes … Im sure many would use words stronger than pompous to describe the tory rats … I hate them very simple hate and contempt for them.

    If people have trouble seeing this I am at a loss …

    Good luck .. and good health … all the best …

  • teejays1617teejays1617 Posts: 5Member Listener
    I  would like to thank Apollo141 for pointing out the COMPLETE TRUTH  about
    how discrimatory and devious this government has been towards disabled people.
    I was made homeless and put up by a friend for 3 weeks whilst on SDP and on ESA. Redditch Council found me a place to live and would not grant me Housing Benefit on the old legacy benefits. Ive been forced to pay full rent for over a year.
    Costing over £4,000.Ive been forced to go to food banks and my own serious health problems have deterioated. I suffered a major heart attack and my neuropathic problems connected to my diabetes have got much worse. I have tremors in my hands and had to ask a friend to type this out on the computer.
    I also have severe anxiety and depression treated with medication. I thought there was hardly any light at the end of the tunnel but you APOLLO141 have given me hope that the new gateway conditions in January might give us fresh hope.
    I know countless people that voted Conservative but because of what they have done will never vote for them again.I just hope Labour and the SNP join forces to bring about a better government who cares about its own people.
    Surely not allowing us Housing Benefit is breaking the Human Rights rules
    Is It ?
  • teejays1617teejays1617 Posts: 5Member Listener
    Please APOLLO141MP  can you tell me ,will the Gateway condition change on
    January 16th 2019 . I  have truly felt so much poverty over the last 12months it has impacted my health terribly and my mental health.
    Having being forced to pay my rent of over £440 @ month to Redditch Council
    I have had to seriously cut back on much needed food.
    Redditch Council awarded me housing benefit by mistake .Awarded it,then withdrew it. Misery upon misery. So I'm hoping that this new gateway condition 
    will allow me to put in a new claim for Housing Benefit. Will I be allowed to backdate the claim at all? Ive lost between £4000 to £5000 over this last year 
    being forced to pay full rent. I am nearly broke close to bankrupcy.
    I don't drink or smoke
    God knows what would happen if I did
    Your help ,indeed anyones help on this matter will be appreciated
  • apollo14lmpapollo14lmp Posts: 31Member Whisperer
    Hi im in the same boat .. you would need to take legal welfare advice
    As far as im aware you can only get hb from 16.1.19
    But get some welfare advice ... if i learn anymore will ley yiu know on here take care
    Only 4 weeks to go i get 2 weeks free rent at xmas which means i only got 18 dec to pay tgen none till jan 6th ... 
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Posts: 2,896Member Brian Blessed
    But not actually wholly accurate either.

    Facebook - literally the last place you should get any benefits advice ever. It’s the Wild West of half understood advice.
  • apollo14lmpapollo14lmp Posts: 31Member Whisperer

    Why is it inaccurate … were I live there is no advice - oh yes .. a CAB situated next to the Job Centre staff in a council office....

    Please elaborate … don't want people to get wrong idea …

  • apollo14lmpapollo14lmp Posts: 31Member Whisperer
    edited December 15

    Teejays - am in contact with a very kind legal firm who have advised helped me pro bono there are still some good people out there i cannot name them - but I don't think our dear Esther Mc Vey will be mailing them a Xmas card !

    Anyway - I have contacted my local council - Housing Benefit team who have provided me with wrong advice many times - did apologise -make me very angry don't understand my plight …

    I have been told that they have not yet been advised to allow changes to their Gateway housing benefit conditions … but they did give me a named person to contact …

    I would advise you to start ringing them and making sure that you HB claim is allowed to be made. I will be right onto them after Xmas again I will hound and hound them. Don't leave your interest in claiming HB till the last minute these people are sometime clueless .. sorry but that's my opinion …  

    I have asked my legal adviser for advice on suing the DWP or council - and I will update you when I hear from them.

    I will also be asking the council to back date my HB as I feel that I (we) am owed this money. They have left you me and others in a no no  win scenario …

     I also have a complaint in hand made to the Independent Case Examiner over the confusion bad advice provided to me by different officers at the DWP. They record all their calls and I don't tell porkies so this could help.

    I am looking at ways to get my rent money back - £4100.00 in 3/4 of a year.

    So if I can I will share advice with you - your situation might differ to mine hope I can help in some way …

    Cheers chin up … :-)  Hohohohoho



  • apollo14lmpapollo14lmp Posts: 31Member Whisperer
    edited December 15
    Whoever is putting ****** in my posts why you doing it ?
    Pompous is not a swear word ..killing people with so called welfare reform is disgusting ..
    Please explain why you do this ... 
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Posts: 2,896Member Brian Blessed

    Why is it inaccurate … were I live there is no advice - oh yes .. a CAB situated next to the Job Centre staff in a council office....

    Please elaborate … don't want people to get wrong idea …

    The Facebook post says there’s still no guidance for starters and yet it was clearly published in August. 
  • apollo14lmpapollo14lmp Posts: 31Member Whisperer
    edited 12:32AM

    Yes that s correct but this advice is advice that's being ignored - the whole system is in chaos (like Brexit). The DWP is  an out of control department in a sad government led by some unpopular break dancing type woman who thnks she knows it all - history will remember her and her govt as one of the worst govts ever - I simply hate the rats …

    DWP abusing the WCA introduced by Labour then perverted into a terror mechanism by the Tories. Corbyn et al did say they would stop UC rollout. As this is embedded now one would suspect any normal govt would raise the value of benefits to what people used to get plus a slight increase for inflation.

    Labour would not treat sick people like this - the Tories twisted the WCA brought about by Labour … No one can be as bad as these tories .. they make Thatcher look like Snow White ! Corbyn has said all that - whilst this Brexit thing takes the headlines people not really bothered by welfare cuts till they have an accident  or illness and can no longer can work - there for the grace of god go I !!!   

  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Posts: 2,896Member Brian Blessed
    So, as I said, the Facebook post is wrong.

    Personal opinion based on professional experience. Labour introduced the WCA. Trying to pretend the Tories perverted the intent ignores the basics of the WCA. That a Labour government introduced the WCA at all is embarrassing so to claim now what they wouldn’t do is disingenuous at best.
  • apollo14lmpapollo14lmp Posts: 31Member Whisperer

    For all that I say I don't believe that welfare should be a free for all. I am not opposed to scrutiny. I have been told not my own experience that DLA you did not always have to produce medical evidence at all. Labour used DLA to cut unemployment numbers ?? don't know - what I was told. So I think there has to be a system based on fairness and evaluation. Producing your medical evidence once every few years is acceptable I suppose being hounded and using the system of Atos WCA lies is all wrong as is harassing sick people !   

    The WCA has been used to brutalise people by the tories they used the WCA system to create PIP I think. But I think the Tories underestimated the true number of people who are ill. They thought many were faking it and now use the system to abuse people .. me -  8 WCA 1 DLA and 4 PIP one paper based what a load of rubbish - harassment even. No tories to blame for this system and the way iy treats people sooner they gone / split the better - damn them all .. Even proved one Atos "HCP was a liar funny that was... they are out of control should know better hope they get caught out and struck off … I would be delighted to get one struck off I would have a party … see them with no job money  justice that would be 

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