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Role of Homeopathy in Autism

sunnyag16sunnyag16 Posts: 4Member Listener
I would like to know what is the role of homeopathy in Autism. is it really effective because most of the people say that homeopathy is just a placebo?

After reading this blog I am in two mindset

https://homeopathicservices.com/autism-treatment-checklist/

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  • sunnyag16sunnyag16 Posts: 4Member Listener
    edited December 2018
    I would like to know how homeopathy helps in autism. 
  • timoglocktimoglock Posts: 26Member Talkative
    Not effective , homeopathy has no evidence base anyway. Secondly autism is neurodevelopmental .  Why do you want to change your autism !  Or are you just trying understand more? The item you’ve copied is out of date. Have a look at the social model or join a neurodiversity group autistic led to gain current understanding is my advice. 
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Listener
    @sunnyag16
    Hi there...I would encourage you to find out more about complementary therapies and would not discount homeopathy if this is something your open to. Differentthings work for different people and nobody can say this or that is right or wrong ...its what suits the individual. We are treated by a health system that has many treatments that are not evidence based if truth is said. We all have to be more proactive i feel to educate ourselves and find the best ways of managing our conditions and just because something is not evidence based does not mean it is useless..I would look for the governing body for homeopathy and research a bit more if i was you . Good luck finding your way and i agree joing a neurodiversity group will be a good move .
  • timoglocktimoglock Posts: 26Member Talkative
    I would never advise ‘treating’ autism with something like homeopathy.  Alternative medicine such as good acupuncture can help with anxiety. Autism doesn’t need treating.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Posts: 3,160Member Brian Blessed
    I would back @timglock on this 100%. The evidence base for homeopathy is pretty much nil and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to sit down with a copy of Bad Science by Dr Ben Goldacre as their starting point. This idea that nobody can say what is right or wrong is both incorrect and potentially dangerous. It’s exactly the sort of nonsense propagated by the likes of Wakefield when he pushed his MMR/autism link. Perhaps read the chapter on the placebo effect and those on homeopathy at bare minimum. 
  • thespicemanthespiceman Posts: 3,707Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    Hello @sunnyag16   Pleased to meet you welcome.

    Thank you for your question. I am afraid we can not answer your question. As it is medical advice you are seeking.  Also against the rules of the forum.

    What I would suggest is to contact the following association.

    The National Autistic Society 

    helpline 020 7833 2299 Mon Thurs 10am 4pm. Fri 9am 3pm.

    Email [email protected].

    Hope that helps.

    Please take care.

    @thespiceman
  • Pippa_ScopePippa_Scope Posts: 5,858Member Brian Blessed
    Hi @sunnyag16, and a warm welcome to the community. Great to have you here!

    As @thespiceman says, this query isn't something we could address here on the community, and you should always seek the advice of your GP or another medical professional involved in your care before making any changes to your treatment or condition management. However, you may be interested in our other Autism/Asperger's discussions here!
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Listener
    I never said "treated" please dont mis quote me. I never advocated homeopathy as a "alternative " to any medicines either..I believe in a intergrated medical model where patients are able to find what suits them as individuals. Sometimes for whatever reason a patient needs to find complementary ways to manage their health issues as a " treatment" as in recovery is not the issue. By the way Acupuncture is not a alternative medicine it is also a complementary medicine that is not "proven " to work as all research states more trials required as there is a difficulty fitting the mechanism of health benefits into a scientific model .Also I would also recommend that good acupuncture be defined as someone who has trained in Traditional Chinese medicine and is part of the British Acupuncture Council as there are  western medical practitioners such as physiotherapist and doctors who attend training in dry needling who dont ( and are not members of the Acupuncture Council) understand the holistic model which as a Bsc Hons Acupuncturist myself I do and also have the knowledge to understand complimentary therapies in a wider context. By the way Acupuncture does not help everybody but like you said treatment is not the  need here.....maybe Homeopaathy could help in this case. My daughter used it for Childbirth and she swears by it ...she had her baby at.home with the help of independent midwives homeopathy and gas and air ! She also used moxibustion (used by acupuncturist) to turn her breech baby to enable the home birth. I believe in try it and see if its useful for the individual it is not that i advocate not using our healthcare system as in alternative methods. I think it is wrong to take away a option that may help the person involved.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Posts: 3,160Member Brian Blessed
    I appreciate that “treated” wasn’t aimed at me but I feel it’s only fair to make a few additional observations. 

    Whether something is complementary or alternative is nothing to the point. The only issue is whether there is an evidence base for it working. To the best of my knowledge meta studies have shown that it (regardiess of what “it” is) does not. It is largely placebo or nil effect. The former is not well understood but potentially as valuable of it makes someone “feel” better. There is no wider context here. Does it do something specific and measurable or does it not? If it does then, scientifically, why? If that can’t be shown then both scientifically and legally it is, at best, placebo. At worst? There are many terms one could use but let’s go with the least emotive and call it pseudo-science;

    The NHS embraced complementary medicine with haste when it needed good publicity and is now backing out just as rapidly having recognised that you can’t simultaneously pick apart the science behind other treatments long thought to be effective (but recently shown to be otherwise) and then judge homeopathy et al by different standards. There was also a realisation that some “alternatives”were re-branding as complementary in panic that in isolation no benefits could be shown. The logic being that if you brand as complementary you can at worst claim that any improvement “could” be in part down to you. Again, there’s a term for that. I;l go with disingenuous.

    Most scientists, and again see the Goldacre book and many others on this, would dismiss your examples on the basis of “regression to the norm” . I.e. you can’t prove something had an effect, whether people swear by it or not, if it could have happened anyway. Breach baby is a good example. Literally no way of proving why the baby turned so the only dodgy element is when someone claims it “could” have been down to x. Reputable science would never make any such claim. 

    Finally, and I have no clue as to what your qualifications are, the concept of “traditional” Chinese medicine should ring massive alarm bells. Back to Goldacre again. He and others have demonstrated that there’s no such thing. Far from being centuries old most of it has been around for less time than what we think of as modern medicine and is being sold as having been imbued with the wisdom of centuries when it’s barely a century old rather than the 2,000 claimed. 

    The OP would be well advised to start with https://www.badscience.net/category/complementary-medicine/acupuncture/ and understand that “Chinese” is wholly unregulated in the UK. 


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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Listener
    I respect your opinion but I dont agree with you so I guess we have to agree to disagree on differing views. There are some things that dont fit into a scientific experiment but are still as valid IMHO. As you prefer science maybe i can change your mind on Acupuncture as it has been proved scientifically to have been around since prehistoric times? Our western medicine is very very recent and we have treatments available today that have not even had scientific trials. Our medical system was founded on anatomy studies and since body snatching was rife 200 years ago in the infancy of these studies i think that shows how recent our medical system evolved! unlike Acupuncture that is over 5000 years old. Also considered as pseudo-science . 

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2015/01/30/scientists-mapped-otzi-icemans-61-tattoos/#.XBe-oPenzqC

    have read widely on the opposing views of complementary therapies and still hold firm that not everything can be assessed using the scientific model and believe this is what stops scientist working out what is occuring when the placebo effect is triggered. The placebo effect is very interesting again IMHO and could lead to greater knowledge in medicine in  itself. I have a BSc Hons aka Science degree. 
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Posts: 3,160Member Brian Blessed
    Acupuncture - not been around for 4,000 years let alone 5,000. I find it genuinely terrifying that people buy into demonstrable nonsense. It’s not a “difference of opinion”. It’s fact versus making it up. 

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/acupuncture-and-history-the-ancient-therapy-thats-been-around-for-several-decades/

    The idea that some things don’t lend themselves to scientific discovery is just quackery. If a peer reviewed scientific experiment shows no evidence something works then you’re on fairly safe ground to assume it doesn’t work. If a peer reviewed meta study of all research (3,000 trials) then reviews all such available research and also concludes it doesn’t work then... it doesn’t work. As I say, there’s plenty of merit in it working as a placebo (we are clearly in agreement on that) but that we genuinely don’t understand as yet. However, there’s no leap to be made from it working as a placebo to asserting that somehow it therefore does work. 

    I love the idea that the scientific model can’t explain everything and that’s what stops us understanding how something works. This has been discussed many times and the general conclusion is that the people who assert such things have no alternative model. 

    As for Otzi The Iceman, you’re surely having a laugh. It has to be proven that any of his tattoos were done before death. There are dozens of stories claiming they align with classic acupuncture points but just the one pointing out that no-one knows when the tattoos were done.


  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Listener
    Like i said I dont agree but respect you having your own opinion .
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Posts: 3,160Member Brian Blessed
    Fair enough. Let’s leave it there; let the OP read and decide for themselves and see if others have something to contribute.

    You’ll be amused to learn that I have  actually tried acupuncture on the NHS in the recent past. Immediately after the 2nd session I felt a benefit but in the days afterwards it became obvious my pain had reverted to where it was. Same pattern after every session. 
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