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  • clarkjohnsonclarkjohnson Posts: 209Member Pioneering
    Exactly Apollo why indeed 
  • livonialivonia Posts: 60Member Courageous
    doesn't this need confirming in parliament like the last announcement of 'intention'.  i presume it won't happen until the amended regulations are passed in parliament?
  • livonialivonia Posts: 60Member Courageous
    are you sure it applies to everyone and not just the 10,000 guinea pigs

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  • livonialivonia Posts: 60Member Courageous
    so did the council say you could now apply from 16th january for help with your rent, good they rang you then.

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  • teejays1617teejays1617 Posts: 92Member Courageous
    Hi Apollo 141 . 
                           Great to see you on this thread. My local council in Redditch 
    wrote me a letter saying I cannot claim Housing Benefit until i'm 66 .
    I am 63 with incureable disabilities claiming legacy benefits including SDP
    Shouldn't the council update their website on the 16/01 otherwise people like
    me will think they cannot claim?  
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,755Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    @teejays1617 they will most likely update it on 16th.
  • teejays1617teejays1617 Posts: 92Member Courageous
    REDDITCH BOROUGH COUNCIL doesn't update it's website for HOUSING BENEFIT ,SO PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF RECEIVING ESA WITH SDP are still told they cannot claim Housing Benefit?
    Why does the Deception still go on  ?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,755Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    All you have to do is show them the legislation. As today is only day one of the changes i'm really not surprised that they haven't yet updated their website.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,755Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Just checked my local council website and i'm very surprised to say that it has been fully updated with the new legislation.
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,755Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    I would definitely show them the legislation if you're having any problems claiming housing benefit. They can't refuse you when you show them this. Also show them proof of your SDP claim and stay one step ahead, i would. I hope you get this sorted soon! If you don't then contact your local MP.

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  • teejays1617teejays1617 Posts: 92Member Courageous
    I telephoned the Housing Benefit at my local council and they said" they had only just received a memo stating that Esa claimants claiming SDP as well could start 
    a claim for Housing Benefit" but no mention of whether anyone in my position is allowed to backdate the claim.
    Please give your views on this subject 
  • livonialivonia Posts: 60Member Courageous
    I haven’t asked for a back date as the legislation doesn’t allow for that 
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  • livonialivonia Posts: 60Member Courageous
    Good luck Apollo I don’t have funds for legal fees but it’s not many months I’ve paid my own rent 
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  • teejays1617teejays1617 Posts: 92Member Courageous
    Hi Apollo and fellow readers.
    I really feel that I should try to claim for all the Housing Benefit denied to me over the last 12 months,but fellow readers say that I should have gone on to Universal Credit but if I had of done I would have lost my SDP premium every week.
    So who do I try to claim from ? Would it be DWP ? Or the local council?
    Please someone help me 
    The stress on my health over the last 12 months has taken an awful toll
    I lost 3 stone and the excessive stress and lack of money for food seriously
    affected my diabetic diet and now I have tremors in my hands.
    Already suffer from panic attacks and anxious outbreaks.
    Things went from bad to worse .Suicidal thoughts.
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,755Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    If it would have been me then i would have had no option but to claim UC. Yes, claiming UC you would have lost the SDP each week but if your rent exceeded this then you were worse off by having to pay your own rent. Doesn't really make any sense.

    As you're still claiming legacy benefits then it's your local council you need to claim this back from and not DWP.
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,755Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    edited January 17
    I can't see how it would be the DWP that you would need to claim it from since you don't claim UC. As it's housing benefit then this is to do with your local council. I'll be happy to be proved wrong here but also interested to know who you should claim it from. @apollo14lmp good luck with everything and please do come back and let us know what happened.
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  • teejays1617teejays1617 Posts: 92Member Courageous
    Hi Apollo and Tressell and Poppy and Fellow readers
    3am and my friend is typing this blog to help me.
    On the 9th of January 2019 I receive a nasty letter from my local council (Redditch )stating I cannot have any Housing Benefit unless I go on to Universal Credit
    They make no mention of the new Gateway condition for a disabled person like myself receiving SDP which came into force on the 16/01/2019
    Instead the letter says unless I go over to Universal Credit I cannot have any help with my rent until my pensionable age in 3 years time.
    I have requested an ANYTIME REVISION on my Housing Benefit after reading 
    great blog from Tressel and Apollo.
    I won't give up in this fight which I believe has had a very serious impact on my health.
    My local council made no mention in the 09/01/2019 letter to me about the new Gateway condition,instead threatened me saying all future applications for Housing Benefit would be denied me unless I joined Universal Credit or 
    reach pensionable age.
    I might be a broken poor man but I will fight against this injustice
    I am just so grateful that SCOPE and this brilliant site exists.

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,755Community champion Disability Gamechanger
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    @teejays1617 you received the letter on the 9th January, the legislation didn't come out until 14th January, with the new SDP rules coming into affect from 16th January and not before.

    Had you applied for housing benefit before the 16th January, yes you would have been refused because you would have needed to apply for UC at that point. I really don't understand why you applied before the legislation came out.

    Have you applied again since Wednesday 16th? if not is there any reasons why?

    If you haven't applied again you need to contact your local council and tell them about the new legislation for those claiming SDP and show it to them if you have to. Also get proof that you claim the SDP.

  • teejays1617teejays1617 Posts: 92Member Courageous
    I have applied for Housing Benefit on the 17/01/2019
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  • teejays1617teejays1617 Posts: 92Member Courageous
    Apollo I cannot see your email .Please resend
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  • teejays1617teejays1617 Posts: 92Member Courageous
    Hi Apollo .Thankyou for your email.Gratefully received.
  • teejays1617teejays1617 Posts: 92Member Courageous
    Hi Poppy and fellow readers.
    Thankyou for your advice. I personally think that the local councils will blame DWP for not placing recipients of SDP in an exemption category  in 2018
    I am sending in an ANYTIME REVISION on my housing benefit and see where I go from there.
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  • teejays1617teejays1617 Posts: 92Member Courageous
    Hi Apollo and fellow  readers ,its taken me several hours with friends to put together case papers against my local council to get an ANYTIME REVISION
    ON MY HOUSING BENEFIT requesting the backdating also. 
    I am very grateful for yourself and other readers that have emailed me paperwork
    and templates to challenge the council.
    The template you sent me was most helpful in me challenging how the council refused me Housing Benefit and how it has impacted on my physical and mental 
    health and the awful impact on my day to day living causing more angina attacks,
    more panic attacks and more depressive episodes which at times caused 
    suicidal thoughts. No government or council should have put disabled people through this mental torture.
    Ive also heard that after Brexit the current government wants to abolish Human Right's laws .How true that is ,i'm not sure 
    Please comment 
    Many thanks
  • teejays1617teejays1617 Posts: 92Member Courageous
    Hi Apollo and fellow readers 
    Am I going about this the right way?  I am asking my local council for an ANYTIME REVISION ON MY HOUSING BENEFIT including a request for backdating my claim or should I be claiming from DWP?
    I think you APOLLO are making your claim from DWP or are you trying DWP
    and your local council?
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  • teejays1617teejays1617 Posts: 92Member Courageous
    Looks like i'm in a similar  boat like you Apollo. I have heart issues and a lot more
    angina attacks.
    Scope is allowing our voices to be heard across the country
    Just hoping we can win back some if not all of the money lost in paying full rent this last year .
    I wish every one on here the very best in winning the battle against a government
    which clearly has acted in a discriminatory way towards Disabled people
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  • clarkjohnsonclarkjohnson Posts: 209Member Pioneering
    Your right appolo I'm new to all this haveing worked all my life but all the accounts of people as opened my eyes when your at a low ebb they want to keep kicking don't they I've had issues with penile cancer and was assessed by a young girl how could she possibly no whet that entails and it seems quite a lot of people who work for the Dwp are frankly very rude and condescending arnt they . Tc 
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  • teejays1617teejays1617 Posts: 92Member Courageous
    Hi Apollo,
                    Are you telling me youv'e been refused Housing Benefit even though
    the new Gateway condition has kicked in ? You receive SDP AND OLD LEGACY BENEFITS ,SURELY SOMETHING IS TERRIBLY WRONG
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  • teejays1617teejays1617 Posts: 92Member Courageous
    I have requested an ANYTIME REVISION on my Housing Benefit with my local council.I have applied for Housing Benefit after the Gateway Condition has come into force on the 16/01/2019
    I will let you all know how I get on 
    I have the CAB looking into the whole matter
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  • livonialivonia Posts: 60Member Courageous
    my application went in on the 17th so i am waiting for a reply my council are three weeks behind i think processing. its all submitted on line.   i didn't ask them to pay directly as i was worried it would get complicated as i am paying the rent there will be some owed back to me out of the award but i could ask after its been decided i suppose.  

    pleased you have this all sorted - well one stage of it for yourself.
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  • Pippa_ScopePippa_Scope Posts: 5,858Member Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @teejays1617, I'm really glad to see you've had some support from our community members with this, and I'm truly sorry to hear about the impact it's had on your mental health.

    You are a member of our community and we appreciate you. If you are having thoughts of suicide, it is important that you discuss them with someone who is qualified to help. Please call the Samaritans on 116 123 (free) or email them at [email protected]. You might also benefit from reading MIND’s information on how you can help yourself:

    http://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/suicidal-feelings/how-can-i-help-myself/

    If you feel that you may be an immediate danger to yourself, please call 999 or go to your local hospital right away.

    Glad to see you have CAB involved, and please keep us updated.

  • teejays1617teejays1617 Posts: 92Member Courageous
    Hi Apollo ,Tressell ,Poppy and al fellow readers and al staff at Scope
    I have had word from my local council that Housing Benefit will be awarded from the 20th of January 2019.I am pleased.,but I am not pleased with a letter from the council saying I have not shown good enough continuous reason to backdate my claim back to Feb 2018 . What they are really saying is its my fault I had no help with my rent because I refused to join Universal Credit last year.I said to the council," If I had of joined Universal Credit last year I would have lost my SDP part of my benefit resulting in greater losses amounting to over £400 @ month"
    I have requested an ANYTIME REVISION on my Housing Benefit since last 
    March . I am not afraid of going to a tribunal or court with or without lawyers to fight for JUSTICE. I will never give up and SCOPE givesus a great platform to share all our views were we can all help each other
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  • teejays1617teejays1617 Posts: 92Member Courageous
    I forgot to say that I had to borrow thousands of pounds last year from loan sharks and friends to be able to survive to pay my rent and buy vital food.I have to pay 
    all this back or go bankrupt .
    Unless a miracle happens and the council award a backpayment. But the arguement continues the Council want to blame us when in real fact its the Council and Government and DWP that need to own up that Disabled have been put through HELL especially this last year
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  • teejays1617teejays1617 Posts: 92Member Courageous
    Apollo you are totally right. This government promised that no one on legacy benefits would be worse off under Universal Credit but YES they have LIED.
    MANY THOUSANDS OF POOR DISABLED PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MUCH WORSE OFF and now the government tries to make only PART AMENDS
    Our issue will not go away .We had to PAY FULL RENT otherwise we would have lost our SDP and EHP element of our benefits. 
    We deserve compensation from either the local councils or DWP or the government itself.
    The   ORCHESTRATOR of this DESTRUCTION of the legacy benefits is no other
    than IAIN DUNCAN SMITH . 
    Human Right lawyers should prosecute him for persecution and discrimination towards not only disabled people but against all people on benefits.
    Words fail me for the SHAMEFUL AND DISGUSTING ways in which we have all be treated.
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  • livonialivonia Posts: 60Member Courageous
    Success! Just had my HB award letter first payment on Tuesday 
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,755Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Great news for all those now claiming HB again!
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