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Re working tax credit

geeforcegeeforce Posts: 11Member Listener
hi there I was self employed but was signed off sick  before that I was getting working tax credit but I’ve been put in universal credit but the working tax credit payments stoped 
i was just wondering if was still intilted to this payment for 28 weeks is this right or wrong 
kind regards 

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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 7,284Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    Hi,

    You can't claim working tax credits and UC. As you claimed UC then working tax credits has now stopped, which is correct. UC has replaced 6 benefits, tax credits, JSA, ESA, Income Support and housing benefit.
  • geeforcegeeforce Posts: 11Member Listener
    Thank you very much 
  • kami24kami24 Posts: 142Member Talkative
    Unfairness awful but try to claim Limited capability for work that's almost as much 
  • kami24kami24 Posts: 142Member Talkative
    I'm not sure if I should work or not in future because I hate 'doing nothing' and appearing to others that I do nothing it's no good for mental health but is anybody with a disability going to even try to work now if they get even less than they would have done on working tax credits???? There is no incentive and this targets the most vulnerable 
  • geeforcegeeforce Posts: 11Member Listener
    The problem was I was working feeling ill but just got worst where I’m not fit to I was claiming WTC but when I was signed off work had to go over to UC so my WTC stopped I claim for me and my wife she doesn’t work cos she’s disabled and gets pip 
  • kami24kami24 Posts: 142Member Talkative
    I get pip myself but if you were feeling ill working then you need to claim the disability component on UC they've just changed the names to confuse everyone. You can go to a work capability assessment even if you aren't claiming pip yourself.
  • kami24kami24 Posts: 142Member Talkative
    I'm probably going to work myself even though I have mental issues but I'm just so sick of the awful staff at jobseekers and they keep messing my money up so basically I'm forced into working (what they want) even though I'm not healthy enough to mentally or emotionally 
  • kami24kami24 Posts: 142Member Talkative
    Is she getting higher rate pip? Are you ill enough to claim pip yourself? If you both claim pip you can go on income support still I think because you would be exempt from any changes worth looking into 
  • geeforcegeeforce Posts: 11Member Listener
    I’m signed off with depression anxiety and post trumatric stress and complications of type2 diabetes my wife gets high rate mobility and middle rate care all I get is basic uc of 500 my claim only started 21 nov 
  • kami24kami24 Posts: 142Member Talkative
    Claim pip if I were you or try. Definitely go to a health assessment for lcwra
    Limited capability for work related activity! It can be up to 328.00 more a month 
  • geeforcegeeforce Posts: 11Member Listener
    Thanks kami24 for your advice thank you 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 7,284Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    To be able to claim LCW then you'll need sick/fit notes from your GP and you'll need evidence to support your claim, once they refer you for a work capability assessment.
  • geeforcegeeforce Posts: 11Member Listener
    Thanks poppy12345 I’m new to all this how long does your basic money on uc go on for is it so many weeks before you have medical assessment I’ve just sent a 24 page medical form back to them 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 7,284Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    There's no time scales for this. It all depends on back log in your area. Expect a face to face assessment as most people have them. If you're given LCWRA then you'll receive an extra £328 per month from the 4th month of your claim, starting from when you sent your first sick note. If you're given LCW then you won't receive any extra money.
  • MatthewD1985MatthewD1985 Posts: 29Member Whisperer
    edited January 31
    Hi geeforce I have direct experience of being self employed and on working tax, I reduced my hours to 15 hours per week and as was under permitted work I was went on to ESA then I increased hours in October as I felt a bit better and needed the money and thought I would go back on to working tax as before. I was told by HMRC I now have to claim UC, so I did that and after nearly 4 months of waiting and booking 22 hours annual leave to go to the jobcentre I was told that my earnings would be too high to get anything at all so the 120 weekly and full c tax benefit and almost full HB I was getting before when on WT had been reduced to 0. So i essentially increased my hours from 15 to 35 and by the time I paid rent and ctax it has worked out really bad for me as I literally have to work an additional 20 hours weekly for less money. Really bad. My advice to anyone at the moment is to not change anything unless you have to - at least until the gov appoint someone with half a heart as the minister for Work and Pensions and has the common sense to not just pause but also roll back this obscene reform.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 7,284Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    Hi geeforce I have direct experience of being self employed and on working tax, I reduced my hours to 15 hours per week and as was under permitted work I was went on to ESA then I increased hours in October as I felt a bit better and needed the money and thought I would go back on to working tax as before. I was told by HMRC I now have to claim UC, so I did that and after nearly 4 months of waiting and booking 22 hours annual leave to go to the jobcentre I was told that my earnings would be too high to get anything at all so the 120 weekly and full c tax benefit and almost full HB I was getting before when on WT had been reduced to 0. So i essentially increased my hours from 15 to 35 and by the time I paid rent and ctax it has worked out really bad for me as I literally have to work an additional 20 hours weekly for less money. Really bad. My advice to anyone at the moment is to not change anything unless you have to - at least until the gov appoint someone with half a heart as the minister for Work and Pensions and has the common sense to not just pause but also roll back this obscene reform.
    This is because you don't claim limited capability for work. If this was claimed then you would have a work allowance, which means you would be able to earn a certain amount of money before deductions.
  • geeforcegeeforce Posts: 11Member Listener
    Thanks for your reply Matthewwd1985 wot happened I was doing 15 hours a week but have been signed off sick in November and had to claim universal credit my wife is disabled and gets pip so all I get at the moment is 498 for us plus full housing benefit I had a medical form sent to me and I have sent it back 
  • MatthewD1985MatthewD1985 Posts: 29Member Whisperer
    Hi geeforce I have direct experience of being self employed and on working tax, I reduced my hours to 15 hours per week and as was under permitted work I was went on to ESA then I increased hours in October as I felt a bit better and needed the money and thought I would go back on to working tax as before. I was told by HMRC I now have to claim UC, so I did that and after nearly 4 months of waiting and booking 22 hours annual leave to go to the jobcentre I was told that my earnings would be too high to get anything at all so the 120 weekly and full c tax benefit and almost full HB I was getting before when on WT had been reduced to 0. So i essentially increased my hours from 15 to 35 and by the time I paid rent and ctax it has worked out really bad for me as I literally have to work an additional 20 hours weekly for less money. Really bad. My advice to anyone at the moment is to not change anything unless you have to - at least until the gov appoint someone with half a heart as the minister for Work and Pensions and has the common sense to not just pause but also roll back this obscene reform.
    This is because you don't claim limited capability for work. If this was claimed then you would have a work allowance, which means you would be able to earn a certain amount of money before deductions.

    Does that mean that if I get a fit note from the doc they might give me something - I didn't even think of that as I was in support group ESA and was told that i did not need notes anymore and they hadn't asked for a note for over a year and working tax didn't ask for one at all, so I just never even thought to do that - you would think they would have picked up on my PIP claim and probed me further about my disability rather than just say to me that 'you earn more than £256 a month so you don't qualify'. I wish I thought of that earlier cz they won't backdate sick notes... grrrrr... soo annoyed... but also a bit relieved... Thanks poppy123456
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 7,284Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    edited January 31
    @MatthewD1985 What was the reason you claimed UC, was it because you decided to work more hours than permitted work allowed on ESA?
  • MatthewD1985MatthewD1985 Posts: 29Member Whisperer
    edited January 31
    @MatthewD1985 What was the reason you claimed UC, was it because you decided to work more hours than permitted work allowed on ESA?


    exactly that reason I was only going to do it for a few weeks for Christmas and then maybe see how i go after Christmas on 20 or maybe 25 hours from Jan, but have had to do 40 hours per week as well as the permitted additional 8 hours overtime on top in order to maintain about the same as I was having on 15 hours... I just can't believe that it didn't even cross my mind to get a sick note... I am so annoyed with myself - have a doc appointment 19 Feb so won't be able to get fit note until then but at least I know now - still quite shocking that this has not been mentioned once since  sept and have visited Job entre 4 times so far and even mentioned my disability in my journal numerous times..  Which I think is proof that this 'simplified' system is not true to its name

  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 7,284Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    Had you got some advice before you moved across to UC then you could have taken your ESA Support Group award with you. When transferring from ESA to UC DWP will place you in the relevant group. For UC this is LCWRA and you will have been paid the standard allowance and the extra £328 per month on top, as well as your housing element. Then you would have had a work allowance of £198 per month, where you could have earned that much before any deductions in your claim.

    As there's been a gap in your claim now then there's nothing you can do about this. Sending in the sick notes is your only option. The process for this will be the same as ESA and you'll receive a work capability assessment form, eventually and need to attend a work capability assessment. Good luck.
  • MatthewD1985MatthewD1985 Posts: 29Member Whisperer
    edited January 31
    Yay sounds like I'm in for a fun time... lol... To be honest I didnt even know that the welfare reform included tax credits I thought it was just JSA, ESA and IS otherwise I wouldn't have changed anything... lol Thanks for your help poppy123456 :) 
  • MatthewD1985MatthewD1985 Posts: 29Member Whisperer
    edited January 31
    i can't understand how this new 'singular' benefits system is actually saving money or even simplifying anything - considering that universal credit has just been added to the current system and many are going to remain on legacy benefits until 2023 not to mention the DLA and PIP saga and all of the people that UC has plunged into destitution that are now in crisis and need job centre support for food / fuel banks etc. Perhaps if they just took medical professionals word for it when they deem a patient unfit for work or only fit for limited responsibilities,
    instead  of employing so many box ticking bureaucrats to over rule these doctors' professional opinion. (its like G.Orwells 1984 with the anonomys 'decision maker' I thought) they then have to pay thousands in court costs for all the appeal hearings - If I had worked that hard to get a PHD and then be told by Capita or Northgate or whoever they use these days that I am actually wrong in my diagnosis and advice by a 'healthcare professional' someone who may not even have completed any post grad uni or even have met the patient before I would be so offended its outragous when you stop and think of it... Rant over!! lol 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 7,284Member, Community champion Brian Blessed
    I totally agree with you about UC and the cost. However, if they took a GP's word for it then everyone would be claiming limited capability for work and ESA. Unfortunately, it's not as simple as that.
  • MatthewD1985MatthewD1985 Posts: 29Member Whisperer
    edited January 31
    Fair enough its obviously not that simple but what they are doing doesn't make it any better as they don't use th standard criteria in a standard way as very often the outcome will depend on who is assessing you rather than the actual reason you are being assessed if the outcomes were more uniform maybe it would be understandable
    . eg I was very lucky to get a home based assessment for PIP when I was moved from DLA which they booked without even speaking to me. My friend who lives a further 20 miles from cardiff assessment centre than i do and has mental health issues 10 times worse than mine (i met him whilst sectioned) and he practically begged for a ahome based assessment and they wouldnt do it -  he ended up just not having pip anymore as a journey to cardiff resembles a nightmare for someone who has problems remaining within reality and often thinks very odd things like people are going to get him for causing peoples deaths, wars, genocides and many other random things that he could not have been responsible for - putting him and other members of public at risk, I dont believe he would hurt anyone with intent but if you really believe someone is going to try and kill you, you dont know how tou woulkd react, quite irresponsible of a gov dept  TBH...
  • MatthewD1985MatthewD1985 Posts: 29Member Whisperer
    Also, why is it not as simple as that. Why would everyone be claiming limited capacity? The doctor will only give you a sick note for a valid reason, that really is an extraordinary thing to suggest!
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