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Gateway Condition January 16 2019 ESA claimants who receive Severe Disability Premium
teejays1617
Posts: 92Member Talkative
The Rt Hon Amber Rudd promised that disabled people receiving SDP would not be forced
on to Universal Credit until Transitional protection is in place but Revenues and Customs
state that its 50/50 whether or not this new Gateway condition will happen at all
Please give your vital comments on this subject
on to Universal Credit until Transitional protection is in place but Revenues and Customs
state that its 50/50 whether or not this new Gateway condition will happen at all
Please give your vital comments on this subject
Replies
Thankyou for the valuable link.Please can you tell me Poppy
can I put a claim in for Housing Benefit after the 16th?
4A. No claim may be made for universal credit on or after 16th January 2019 by a single claimant who, or joint claimants either of whom—
(a)is, or has been within the past month, entitled to an award of an existing benefit that includes a severe disability premium; and
(b)in a case where the award ended during that month, has continued to satisfy the conditions for eligibility for a severe disability premium.”
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"This must not be allowed to happen"
The Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) has published a contract notice announcing its plans for a £3.1billion revamp of heath checks for Personal Independence Payments (PIP) and other benefits.
PIP is not ESA or even UC, having one assessment for those benefits is morally wrong to treat them as ONE size fits all with that one assessment.
I have fully stated and justifies what the DWP’s aim is here, and its not certainly for the care of the claimant or the vulnerable.
Yes I fully agree the assessment process needs to be improved on many accounts and this is certainly not the way to do it.
As its been mentioned on here, and in the press now has raised grave concern and bought this into question, it’s clearly not right what this Government, the DWP, and the secretary for work & pensions is outlining regarding this proposal to change in having “ONE” assessment for all these benefits, you must also have to bear in mind too if you fail this one said assessment, your open to loose all your benefits which is quite clearly wrong, as we also know assessors can look at your claim and think I will fail this claimant because he/she may be getting to much in benefits etc, so in effect they could just be very cruel and fail and lie in the assessment to deprive the said claimant(s) etc.
I’ve sent them further evidence stating that this is so wrong on many accounts.
I will not let this go as a matter of principal.
😢 been doing a little campaigning over UC and othe disability issues for a few days but worn me out..
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"This must not be allowed to happen"
The Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) has published a contract notice announcing its plans for a £3.1billion revamp of heath checks for Personal Independence Payments (PIP) and other benefits.
PIP is not ESA or even UC, having one assessment for those benefits is morally wrong to treat them as ONE size fits all with that one assessment.
I have fully stated and justifies what the DWP’s aim is here, and its not certainly for the care of the claimant or the vulnerable.
Yes I fully agree the assessment process needs to be improved on many accounts and this is certainly not the way to do it.
As its been mentioned on here, and in the press now has raised grave concern and bought this into question, it’s clearly not right what this Government, the DWP, and the secretary for work & pensions is outlining regarding this proposal to change in having “ONE” assessment for all these benefits, you must also have to bear in mind too if you fail this one said assessment, your open to loose all your benefits which is quite clearly wrong, as we also know assessors can look at your claim and think I will fail this claimant because he/she may be getting to much in benefits etc, so in effect they could just be very cruel and fail and lie in the assessment to deprive the said claimant(s) etc.
I’ve sent them further evidence stating that this is so wrong on many accounts.
I will not let this go as a matter of principal.
As for Xmas New year I really can't remember much about it. It was peacful let's say, glad yours was 🆗 too.
Yes this is good news about SDP will be good for a great many people, but in truth it's still not enough. UC is a killer and many more will surely suffer that's why I'm hoping this Government gets kicked out before it's to late.
But for now this SDP legislation will help..
I will carry on bashing the Government over this and I won't give them a moments peace either.
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"This must not be allowed to happen"
The Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) has published a contract notice announcing its plans for a £3.1billion revamp of heath checks for Personal Independence Payments (PIP) and other benefits.
PIP is not ESA or even UC, having one assessment for those benefits is morally wrong to treat them as ONE size fits all with that one assessment.
I have fully stated and justifies what the DWP’s aim is here, and its not certainly for the care of the claimant or the vulnerable.
Yes I fully agree the assessment process needs to be improved on many accounts and this is certainly not the way to do it.
As its been mentioned on here, and in the press now has raised grave concern and bought this into question, it’s clearly not right what this Government, the DWP, and the secretary for work & pensions is outlining regarding this proposal to change in having “ONE” assessment for all these benefits, you must also have to bear in mind too if you fail this one said assessment, your open to loose all your benefits which is quite clearly wrong, as we also know assessors can look at your claim and think I will fail this claimant because he/she may be getting to much in benefits etc, so in effect they could just be very cruel and fail and lie in the assessment to deprive the said claimant(s) etc.
I’ve sent them further evidence stating that this is so wrong on many accounts.
I will not let this go as a matter of principal.
Me and tresell were right and now i can try to get a back date of 4.5k rent somehow !
@apollo14lmp Yes this is true, I only post up the facts. Be rest assured about this SDP legislation.
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"This must not be allowed to happen"
The Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) has published a contract notice announcing its plans for a £3.1billion revamp of heath checks for Personal Independence Payments (PIP) and other benefits.
PIP is not ESA or even UC, having one assessment for those benefits is morally wrong to treat them as ONE size fits all with that one assessment.
I have fully stated and justifies what the DWP’s aim is here, and its not certainly for the care of the claimant or the vulnerable.
Yes I fully agree the assessment process needs to be improved on many accounts and this is certainly not the way to do it.
As its been mentioned on here, and in the press now has raised grave concern and bought this into question, it’s clearly not right what this Government, the DWP, and the secretary for work & pensions is outlining regarding this proposal to change in having “ONE” assessment for all these benefits, you must also have to bear in mind too if you fail this one said assessment, your open to loose all your benefits which is quite clearly wrong, as we also know assessors can look at your claim and think I will fail this claimant because he/she may be getting to much in benefits etc, so in effect they could just be very cruel and fail and lie in the assessment to deprive the said claimant(s) etc.
I’ve sent them further evidence stating that this is so wrong on many accounts.
I will not let this go as a matter of principal.
⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️
"This must not be allowed to happen"
The Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) has published a contract notice announcing its plans for a £3.1billion revamp of heath checks for Personal Independence Payments (PIP) and other benefits.
PIP is not ESA or even UC, having one assessment for those benefits is morally wrong to treat them as ONE size fits all with that one assessment.
I have fully stated and justifies what the DWP’s aim is here, and its not certainly for the care of the claimant or the vulnerable.
Yes I fully agree the assessment process needs to be improved on many accounts and this is certainly not the way to do it.
As its been mentioned on here, and in the press now has raised grave concern and bought this into question, it’s clearly not right what this Government, the DWP, and the secretary for work & pensions is outlining regarding this proposal to change in having “ONE” assessment for all these benefits, you must also have to bear in mind too if you fail this one said assessment, your open to loose all your benefits which is quite clearly wrong, as we also know assessors can look at your claim and think I will fail this claimant because he/she may be getting to much in benefits etc, so in effect they could just be very cruel and fail and lie in the assessment to deprive the said claimant(s) etc.
I’ve sent them further evidence stating that this is so wrong on many accounts.
I will not let this go as a matter of principal.
Council rang my HB application for tomorrow needs a copy of my Tenancy agreement. Online applications being accepted for SDP recipients
Spoke to my amazing solicitors who is going to send a letter of pre action to DWP, in an attempt to recover the money for rent I have had to pay. Looks like me and another in similar circumstances might have a case in court but focus is on getting them cough up before that happens.
All this UC chaos has cost more than the system it was supposed to replace and save money on. Rubbish system from a bad bad government ! hope they lose and get launched out out ….
based on the fact that if I had gone over to Universal Credit I would have lost over £400 of my SDP and EHP benefit and this would have more seriously impacted
on my finances and daily living and have an even more serious impact on my health.
The TRUTH is the councils want to blame us in this matter and if they can't blame us they will blame DWP which is the ROOT CAUSE of these problems with the government
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designed a new benefit to replace 5 or 6 current benefits but DID HE TELL THE PUBLIC THAT the benefits he was replacing with Universal Credit would also be
TOTALLY ABOLISHED AND DESTROYED FOR EVER. I'm shocked he has got away with it.He has thrown many many thousands into utter poverty .I hope
Labour and many other politicians see that Universal Credit should be scrapped.
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I even heard that Iain Duncan Smith was paid a mighty sum of money to speak on COMPASSION at a conference in CANADA. If that is so what a sham
He knows nothing about compassion at all
I know many people that voted conservative but they won't vote conservative
again
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My brother was in the army with that IDS he tells people he has a degree he hasnt he is a complete horrid person .. a liar ..
Him n nc vey set this up and walked away ..
Whats gone is gone ..
I hope that someone brings some element of fairness back ..
This brexit thing is distracting people from the harm they cause .. till they have an accident cant work .. there for the grace if god go i ... IDS know lots about him...
Saddest thing is my dad as a picture a group photo of my brother in the guards IDS is actually on it ..
Please dont start me about him .. failed tory leader failed human being ... i get banned if i start .. will have to smash that photo one day knocks me sick
My brother owns a large business now loaded he is .. spends lots of money paying tax advisers to minimise the loss of money .. makes millions care homes n pays very little tax system is screwed over ... google f book they all take more than they pay ....
I submitted an appeal to my local council regarding backdating my housing benefit
Awarded in March 2018 and revoked a few weeks later because I refused to go over to Universal Credit. Why did I refuse ? because I would have lost my SDP
and Enhanced Disability Premium worth nearly £400 @ month.
The new Gateway condition which came into force on the 16/01/2019 has thankfully allowed disabled people like myself to claim housing benefit.
Thankfully members like yourself APOLLO recommended trying for an ANYTIME
REVISION ON MY HOUSING BENEFIT with my local council.
I haven't heard anything back from my council yet except to say I did receive
the first reply before my appeal saying "I have not shown any continuous
good cause" why they should backdate my claim.
I have definitely said "I have shown definite good cause.
Please fellow readers ,feel free to make comments regarding this
Support Group Component £37.65
Enhanced Disability Premium £16.40
Total £127.15 a week = £552.50 per calendar month.
Universal Credit
Personal Allowance aged 25+ £317.82
Limited Capability for Work and Work-Related Activity amount £328.32
Total £646.14 per calendar month. Under 25 £580 PCM.
As you state under legacy benefits with SDP = £831.13
but TURN TO US CHARITY figures show Universal Credit = £636 without any
Transitional protection but nevertheless the government said ( THIS TORY
GOVERNMENT SAID ) no one would be worse off under Universal Credit but
the figures above prove a loss of nearly £2,400 a year,not to mention the
DESTRUCTION of the old legacy benefits.
The truth is thousands of people like myself have been plunged into dire poverty
Over the last year being forced to pay full rent I have lost over £4,000
Had to go to loan sharks and foodbanks
This whole system is messed up but the country is too tories for you ... always messing up cannot stand them hope maybot party implodes and ruins the woman vile rotten to the core ..
Or experts in medicine thanks to atos DWP ...
could be rejected ,so fellow readers please tell me What is the best way forward?
I don't mind going to a tribunal or do I try and find some legal experts to prosecute DWP or the council ?
PLEASE SOMEONE ON HERE TRY AND HELP ME
I cannot afford to pay solicitors yet I believe the council and the DWP have acted
unlawful and Discriminatory towards me a Disabled person
Looks like I will have to seek expert advice .I will use the link you have kindly given. Can't quite see how I made myself intentionally worse off. Its just I stuck to my guns in not losing my SDP and EHP . If you are calculating how Universal Credit would have paid my rent £340 @ month as against me losing SDP and EHP then Yes there is a marginal difference but now the government has put
Transitional Protection in place ,the government has corrected the flaw in people
who went on to Universal Credit and lost SDP BUT i THINK THERE IS LOADS MORE TO THIS ISSUE
Personally the Universal Credit was not just designed to put a number of benefits under one roof so to speak but THIS GOVERNMENT DID NOT DECLARE IT WAS ABOLISHING CERTAIN BENEFITS ALTOGETHER.
A DESTRUCTION OF A BIG PART OF THE WELFARE BENEFIT SYSTEM.
I have since discovered that new claims on PIP will not be allowed to go beyond
65 but if a person is already on PIP then a person can stay on PIP after 65
but for how long ? is anyone's guess.
Also the Universal Credit agreement makes everyone including all Disabled
people sign a Declaration that they will actively look for work or they may not receive Universal Credit payments if they don't sign
Friends have helped me work out the true figures of SDP and EDP and the weekly income from these two benefits is £80.70 @ week
My weekly rent is £80.30
But If I have to go to a Tribunal regarding trying to get my backdated rent back
I will have to fight on the grounds that Universal Credit Benefit would have made me a lot worse off than being in the Support group on ESA ,hence why I wouldn't be forced to go over to Universal Credit.
There is also a marked difference between the two benefits ESA and Universal Credit .Universal Credit forces Disabled people and Severely Disabled people
to actively sign a statement to say they will actively not only look for work but take work were as ESA in the Support group does not make this demand
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would in the first instance be worse off by as you say £184 @ month.
Hence the fact the government can see the flaw in the Universal Credit system
trying to destroy the SDP and EDP Benefits. Thank goodness Transitional Protection will be in place to stop anyone losing vital benefit money.
But I still dont think its right to see certain benefits abolished and destroyed for ever.
receiving ESA in the support group?
Greatly appreciate as many feedbacks as possible
Many thanks
I got an email telling me they would update me as they have other people who have "lost their SDP" are thinking of funding a class action.
I was upset as you know this is not my (our) case. I feel like hitting my head against a brick wall.
No one seems to have a clue or can be bothered doing their job anymore...
I had to email back explaining my situation for the millionth time .
Hope to hear more next week
Old saying goes if you want something doing properely do it yaself !!!!
I dont know of anyone who has sued the DWP themselves the law us complex and beyond writing to atos and so on pleading your case.
Am thinking of trying law advice centre ... if this firm cant help me.
DWP will say you should have claimed UC to get housing element..... i hate them with a passion ....
I had an email from a similar person to ourselves
and their local council did allow a backdated refund on rent that they had paid
The refund was over £5,000
Our local council's don't want bad publicity so I feel you and I and others will be
offered a partial refund. The council's won't want lots of cases going to Tribunals
Any good news yet on backdating your housing benefit claims because of SDP and us refusing Universal Credit because we did not want to lose our SDP and Enhanced Disability Benefit.
Please fellow readers and Apollo let us know ?
into one of the exempt categories I have no hope " Well let the judge at the Tribunal decide because I think it is serious discrimination against Disabled people
Please let me know your thoughts
Well Poppy I have appealed against the council's decision not to backdate my Housing Benefit claim but the council said" it will go to a tribunal "
The council have asked me on what GROUNDS do I feel I can appeal against their decision
I have said" on the grounds that DISCRIMINATION is evident but they are saying
the government made the exempt regulations and it is DWP or a government department that is to blame ,not the council
I have asked PRO BONO at the ROYAL COURTS OF JUSTICE IF i HAVE A CASE AGAINST DWP
Can I ask a question? Does anyone know if a son who is unemployed and on ESA and lives with their mother who owns her own home.
Is the son allowed to claim Universal Credit whilst living under her roof
Please anyone tell me ?
I thought he would have to claim Universal Credit if he moves from one county to another. I don't think he could stay on ESA or can he ?
Probably rent free from his mom
Just a word about my own situation. I have requested an MR with my local council
I did it by email.Do you think that is ok? or should I send in a typed letter to the council. Also upon signing for my tenancy last March ,the tenancy signing officer
promised to get urgent repairs done but 12 months later nothing has been done.
Because I suffer with Proximal diabetes and the neuropathic problems mean I cannot feel the floor I have tripped on the awful un level floor between the hall floor and bathroom floor. I have asked the Citizens Advice Bureau to look into this.
Surely it wasn't fair to charge me full rent for a place in such an awful state
I'm renting off my local council but they haven't
done anything to my floor since I signed the tenancy
Two windows which would not lock .The rear soffit at the back of the property.
They have not done anything in over 12 months .I am really at my wits end