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ESA Stopped

I went for an ESA assessment on the 14th December and today received a phone call to say it's been stopped as scored zero points. I'm so shocked as felt all was well. The assessor seemed friendly and sympathetic even saying aww that looks sore when looking at my elbows. I have OA in both knees , feet, hands, wrists, and elbows. Also DDD in back. I had told assessor about the pain I'm in every day and how my life is controlled by it so I'm baffled by this decision. I've now got to go through the process of changing my benefit to J.S.A and go for a interview at the job centre and make a mandatory reconsideration when I get their letter. 
Feel so low and stressed about it all why do they do this to people. Surely if your in chronic pain they can't do this to people. Has anyone got any advice please I feel like I can't cope

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  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    Hold on in and go tribunal fight it they have been awful this year and many have struggled starved homeless if you can tribunal next good luck 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Hi,

    You won't be able to claim JSA unless you were either claiming the severe disability premium in with the ESA or you were claiming Contributions based ESA. If none of these apply then you won't be able to claim Income Related JSA because all areas are now a full universal credit area and it will be this you'll be asked to claim. If you claim UC then you won't be able to go back onto assessment rate for ESA.

    Your next step is to request the MR and you need to do this within 1 month of the date of the decision. Good luck.
  • audigirlaudigirl Posts: 46Member Connected
    Pls help my ESA has been stopped im waiting to receive my assesors report to go ahead with a MR tho im not getting any hopes up as iv heard only 84%get it back nd i never have gd luck on my side i shall be going to my gp for a new medical report to send in with MR 
    the thing is i have repeat prescribtion for depression etc how do i go on with regards to getting it i wont be able to pay as iv no money now what do i do i need the depressants or i could end up taking my life 
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    You get low income form from chemist and send it off or as I am just signing back 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Hi,

    For the MR request you have 1 month from the date of the decision and you should put this in writing stating what you disagree with, which group you think you should be placed into and your reasons why. Sending in any relevant evidence you have to support your claim. Only 17% of MR decisions are successful so you'll most likely have to take it to Tribunal.

    If you claim Universal credit in the meantime you won't be able to go back onto ESA.

    For the free prescriptions see this link for the low income scheme. https://www.nhsbsa.nhs.uk/nhs-low-income-scheme

  • audigirlaudigirl Posts: 46Member Connected
    Thankyou for the advice poppy123456
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    You're welcome.
  • jarvo40jarvo40 Posts: 31Member Connected
    Hi there just thought I’d give you all some hope through these tough times..April last year had a medical assessment scored zero points despite being in the support group and both elements of pip I have degenerative illnesses I.e osteoarthritis rheumatoid arthritis.type 2 diabetes and diabetic neuropathy in both hands and feet also got turned down on the mandatory reconsideration even though produced lots more evidence  I refused to go on jsa  because that was admitting I could work.got a letter saying I had the right to a tribunal.. so I contacted a solicitor I thought I’m going to fight this injustice with legal action.. I found out even if I won I would not be reimbursed my fees which were £720 to prepare the case and £480 if I wanted representation on the day.. so I instructed him to represent myself..so he gathered all my medical records and presented my case to the dwp with a covering letter which absolutely ripped apart esa assessment to many to explain but he assessed the medical examiner (nurse) as incompetent.. the one thing I did find out when I read my medical evidence the dwp had written to my doctor in June to say he was not helping me to find some kind of work by signing fit notes saying I was unfit to work(unbelievable) solicitor told me that was normal.. onto the day of the tribunal (7 months later) appeal 15.00 get a call at 11am saying no need to attend from my solicitor because the medical evidence was overwhelming in my favour so now back in the support group recommendation from tribunal no assessment for 24 months..would that have happened without a lawyer??i don’t think so..I know not everyone can afford a solicitor and I’m fortunate it just gives you all some hope that you can beat this corrupt government the dwp..good luck to everyone..
  • audigirlaudigirl Posts: 46Member Connected
    Hi jarvo 
    well done that made me smile so dont know what you thought after your news
    its true these so called assesors are robots im sure im currently in a back log of many other people waiting for my assesment papers then applying for a MR i kno il not get it becos its very slim chance so il be off to a tribunal but i will need some help sorting the tribunal out iv got drs like you who dnt want to help me but im going to give em my best shot 
    anyway glad you got to were you are and showed the dwp what you think to them 
  • janejrjanejr Posts: 122Member Pioneering
    Thanks poppy123456 and jarva I was in receipt of SDP and in support group. I only had four days notice of my assessment so didn't have time to prepare. Now I've had my assessment letter back and she recommends I get a job with a wheelchair to carry me around even though I've got osteoarthritis in hands wrists elbows. She also lied saying I'd only just had pain I both knees recently. I've had it 6years. She also said I get stinging and burning in knees but left out the chronic pain bit she also forgot me saying I'm back and forth to docs with pain that has me crying in the surgery. She stated I didn't appear to lean heavy on my walking stick. Erm think she forgot I'm in pain with my hands wrists and elbows and can't bear to much weight. I'm going to get a citizen's advice man to write me a letter then see doc next week for documents for MR. Feel sick knowing so many fail and have to go for appeal. jarvo40 I've got to go job centre next week they want me to sign on jsa to pay rent, my biggest fear is being homeless so I feel I'm forced to do it. My assessor wanted to know why I didn't go out more. Hands up all that just love going out when in chronic pain. 
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    This is such a farce why stop rent and money that’s nothing to do with esa they just fail everyone let us suffer cig they can find me job with no hands or no falling down should be fun 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    As you were claiming SDP with your ESA you won't be able to claim UC. As for the homeless part, if you're claiming housing benefit then this won't happen. Ring your local council first thing tomorrow morning and ask them to send you a nil income form, when you receive this fill it out and return it to them. Your Housing benefit will continue to be paid while you wait for the MR decision, if you decide not to claim JSA.

    For your ESA MR...when they assess you for ESA as you're claiming for chronic pain and mobility issues then the descriptor you should be looking at for the Support Group is mobilising. For this, they also look at your ability to self propel a wheelchair, if they think you can reasonably do this, they will find you fit for work, which is exactly what they've done.

    For the MR letter you must concentrate on your mobilising (ability to walk) how far you can walk before being in pain and your ability not to be able to self propel a wheelchair and your reasons why. Tell them exactly how your conditions affect you, tell them all about a day in your life, what the pain is like, what happens when you walk, shower, when you do any of these what happens after? Do you need to lie down? maybe go to bed because the pain is so bad that you can't deal with the rest of the day? Tell them exactly how you're conditions affect you on a typical day.

    I know exactly what chronic pain is like because i suffer with it myself so i can relate to everything you're going through.

    If you have any evidence to support your claim, send it with the MR letter. Put as much effort in as possible.

    If the MR decision remains the same then once the Tribunal accept your appeal you'll be able to go back onto assessment rate of ESA BUT you'll need sick notes from your GP for this until the Tribunal make a decision. If you decide not to claim JSA then the sick notes will need to be back dated to the date your ESA stopped, then you'll be backdated the assessment rate of ESA and the SDP.

    May i ask what PIP/DLA award you have?

    This link may help you find an advice centre near you for help. Please don't pay a solicitor to help you, there's advice agencies out there that will help you for free, including ones that will represent you. Welfare rights or a law centre will do this.

    Hope all of this helps. Good luck.



  • jarvo40jarvo40 Posts: 31Member Connected
    Hi audigirl..it’s sad when you see all the injustice being dished out to people and I wish you all the best on your journey and please try to be strong with your convictions that your being unfairly treated..I think you misunderstood my doctor stood by me all the way also the mr is just another dwp department who employ the assessor so that’s why the turnover rate is so low but saying that I have had one go for me before guess it’s how they wake up that day.. I felt confident all through the ordeal because I was telling the truth but I must admit having my solicitor helped immensely..if you have any questions please ask it’s a long journey..good luck and stay positive 😉
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    Hi Jarvis 40 I had my assessment 3 ems ago last week I got letter saying to apply for severe disability do you no why they did this xxditty
  • jarvo40jarvo40 Posts: 31Member Connected
    Hi janejr ..your case seems so similar to mine..I can’t use walking sticks because of the pain in my hands which results in poor balance issues.. where I might be able to advise you is the wheelchair issue.. my solicitor challenged the assessor who said I could walk 200m or propel myself that distance in a wheelchair by saying with what evidence did he have as I only had to walk 15m from waiting room to medical room and where did he provide a wheelchair to assess how far I could travel with my osteoarthritis in my hand also said did he go to my house to assess if I could even store a wheelchair.do you receive pip in any form? I do which kept me on esa plus sdp..if you need to go on jsa do it.. I’m just in a position I could go 5 weeks without payment but when you get a tribunal date switch back to esa you have that right plus you can have conditions put on your Jsa claim because of your medical conditions..poppy was right you can get housing benefit your job centre should of told you that..it’s an easy process and there helpfull people..you must do anything to survive this traumatic time but if your not up to it tell the job centre they do have a duty of care..like I said to audigirl mr is still the dwp assessing you will get a fairer chance with tribunal just take all your medical evidence..if you need to ask anything feel free to ask only coz I’ve been there.. be strong my friend 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Dotty123 said:
    Hi Jarvis 40 I had my assessment 3 ems ago last week I got letter saying to apply for severe disability do you no why they did this xxditty
    Dotty, i explained this to you a couple of weeks ago. If you live alone, or with no other adults and no one claims carers allowance for looking after you. You claim either the daily living PIP or DLA mid/high rate care DLA then you're entitled to the severe disability premium on top of your ESA.

    Did you fill in the form and return it like i advised? If you did then it can take 3-4 weeks for a decision.
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    Yes sent recorded delivery they got it Monday sorry bout asking again x
  • jarvo40jarvo40 Posts: 31Member Connected
    Hi dotty.. poppy is right in what she is saying..be patient it will all work out in the end..good luck
  • BenistmonkBenistmonk Posts: 326Member Pioneering
    janejr said:
    I went for an ESA assessment on the 14th December and today received a phone call to say it's been stopped as scored zero points. I'm so shocked as felt all was well. The assessor seemed friendly and sympathetic even saying aww that looks sore when looking at my elbows. I have OA in both knees , feet, hands, wrists, and elbows. Also DDD in back. I had told assessor about the pain I'm in every day and how my life is controlled by it so I'm baffled by this decision. I've now got to go through the process of changing my benefit to J.S.A and go for a interview at the job centre and make a mandatory reconsideration when I get their letter. 
    Feel so low and stressed about it all why do they do this to people. Surely if your in chronic pain they can't do this to people. Has anyone got any advice please I feel like I can't cope

    I'll keep it simple, do not claim a new benefit, it will screw everything up.

    1. ESA stopped after assessment.

    2. Ask for Mandatory Reconsideration. When you receive that letter, they might reverse the decision to stop ESA.

    If the decision remains unchanged, most likely outcome.

    3. Start an appeal using SSCS1 form, you can get it online.

    4. Tribunal receives your appeal, they will let you know in writing of this.

    5. Phone DWP when you have tribunal letter, give them the reference No off it.

    6. ESA will be paid at assessment rate pending appeal.

    The whole process takes around 5 weeks.

    Good luck.
  • janejrjanejr Posts: 122Member Pioneering
    Hi poppy123456 I get both elements of pip middle rate and full mobility. I'm seeing a man from citizen's advice this morning he is going to write my letter for MR. Jarvo40 I've got doc appointment next week and want to request x-rays to my hands wrists and elbows to confirm I can't propel a wheel chair (which is why I don't lean heavy on a stick as assessor pointed out) can I insist I want this done. My hand are visible deformed by OA but wrists and elbows of course you can't see. Tying to keep a calm head. I've been back and forth to docs with pain in the last six months not that they have been any help. Doc increased meds and sent me to group excessive class but was ridiculously to much and I never went back. Hope doc doesn't refuse me x-rays as that's my evidence
  • jarvo40jarvo40 Posts: 31Member Connected
    Hi janejr..my experience was like yourself some of my fingers are out of shape also have had operations that have left my hands fully scared I never took any x-rays to my tribunal but many letters from my hand surgeon which was enough..obviously x-rays would be helpful but not essential just getting letters from each of your specialists would be enough..not sure if you can insist on x-rays maybe someone else might know..
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    X-rays cost and it's not guaranteed that that your GP will refer you because you need evidence. You may have to find other ways of getting the evidence you need to prove you can't self propel the wheelchair.
  • janejrjanejr Posts: 122Member Pioneering
    My fingers are bent and knobbly hand knuckles huge and spaced both elbows have swelling can't bend wrists fully. Seeing doc tuesday to request letter will also ask her to state whether she thinks I could repeatably propel myself in wheelchair without pain and discomfort also would sitting in wheel chair would cause me pain and discomfort in my hips and pelvis.. I have been docs many times with pain in my hip and groin due to dodgy disks and siatica. Citizens advice bloke ace would recommend
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    Hi well got the call esa stopped she says go on up but I won’t get back on esa what do I do next chow I pay rent gas electric 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Dotty123 said:
    Hi well got the call esa stopped she says go on up but I won’t get back on esa what do I do next chow I pay rent gas electric 
    Oh Dotty, i'm so sorry to hear this!!!

    Your first step is to request the Mandatory Reconsideration (MR) and you have 28 days from the date of the decision to request this. You need to look at the Support Group descriptors to see which one, if any apply to you and write your MR letter based on the reasons why you think you should be placed into that group. Support Group descriptors here.

    You'll need to send evidence to support your claim if you didn't previously when you sent your ESA50 form back.

    Now for your rent. You need to ring your local council first thing tomorrow morning and ask them to send you a nil income form. When you receive this you need to fill it out and return it, you'll then continue to be paid your housing benefit while you wait for the MR. Don't worry at this point because you won't be made homeless.

    A few weeks ago you filled out a form for the severe disability premium (SDP) have you heard anything back from the claim yet? This is really important. If you haven't then ring ESA tomorrow morning and ask has a decision been made on the SDP claim yet.

    If the decision's been made on the SDP then this will mean that you won't be able to claim UC because those that are claiming this can't claim UC at the moment.

    This is an awful lot to deal with if you don't fully understand what you're doing, so i'm going to advise that you contact a local advice centre near you for expert advice. Welfare rights or a law centre will be a good place to start.

  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    Oh thank you I sent my form they got it on Monday this week but not heard anything yet should I ring them and ask tomorrow do you have a number to ring them you’ve been Grt help to me thank you x
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    edited February 14
    The number is : 0800 169 0310 and you're welcome, as always!
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    Grt il go to council in morning fill nil income out then go citizen advice how do I appeal and do mr xx
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger


    Your first step is to request the Mandatory Reconsideration (MR) and you have 28 days from the date of the decision to request this. You need to look at the Support Group descriptors to see which one, if any apply to you and write your MR letter based on the reasons why you think you should be placed into that group. Support Group descriptors here.


    This is how you request the MR. If the decision remains the same and most do then you request the Tribunal.
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    Poppy my sdp they got on Monday as they have stopped my esa shud I still ask what outcome it was got housing sorted thank you 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Dotty123 said:
    Poppy my sdp they got on Monday as they have stopped my esa shud I still ask what outcome it was got housing sorted thank you 
    Even though you've been found fit for work for your ESA, if you're entitled to the SDP then they will back date you everything they owe you from the time you qualified.

    Glad you got your housing benefit sorted.
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    Ok il ring them find out yea sorted rent where do I find how get gas electric food I’m diabetic your a star 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    food/gas/electric is all part of the food bank and for this you need to be referred by either
    • Jobcentre Plus
    • A social worker
    • Citizens Advice
    • Children’s centres
    • Local authorities
    • Police or probation workers
    • GPs, health visitors or other medical professionals
    If you have a pre-payment meter, some foodbanks can also help by giving you a small top-up if you’re out of credit.

    Do you have family that can help you while you're waiting for the MR decision? I know you claim PIP so that's a good thing, even though it's paid every 4 weeks. Hopefully DWP won't be too long making a decision about the SDP because if you do qualify you'll have that backdated lump sum which will come in very handy right now.






  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    How long before sdp let you no they got my form Monday this week thank you 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    3-4 weeks, possibly longer. There's really no timescales.
  • janejrjanejr Posts: 122Member Pioneering
    Waiting to go my docs now and feel on the verge of breaking down and all because my assessor omitted to put in my report about my hands wrists and elbows therefore able to manager a wheelchair manually. She wrote nothing on the pain my elbows are and that my hand goes numb with strong tingglin in them. I've got to ask doctor for a letter saying in her opinion I can't propel a manual wheelchair. Assesor seemed so nice I can't get my head round it. Why lie and leave things out. I just know I'm going to show myself up and cry down doctors I just feel so helpless osteoarthritis in all my joints pain unbearable then this. Feel so low
  • janejrjanejr Posts: 122Member Pioneering
    Back home now got to go for x-ray on hands even though they are visible in osteoarthritis and had hand therapy five years ago and have thumb injection regular. Having my feet x-rayed Wednesday because can't put left foot to floor in that much pain. Got in both feet. Feel sad for all disabled people , it's not enough having to live in horrible pain and feeling .Gov owned they then traumatize our heads with this terrible ordeal. 
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    They do stay strong I can’t use my hands they hurt lot but appealing good luck x
  • audigirlaudigirl Posts: 46Member Connected
    Hi all
    were do i start apart from feeling drained sleepless nights 
    iv been to my gp theyv given me a meical report that basically explains my illness & the medication im on 400g ibuprofen 20mg citalopram 30mg co codamol my assesor reported i was on low dosage does this look low dosage to you guys im wanting to write my MR for ESA but having seen this its putting me off she also wrote in the report i have pain in my hands believe to be arthritis but not confirmed i had blood tests at my drs to say it was osteoarthritis & i have pain in my ankle i actually broke my ankle it was so bad i had 3 operations on it the last one had to have pins as id broke my febar bone could someone help me put this in my report im so useless at the moment
      thankyou everyone for advice in the past 
  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Posts: 5,246Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Unfortunately  no one on an internet forum can help you write your MR. If possible you should get trained help from an advice agency near you
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • audigirlaudigirl Posts: 46Member Connected
    Ok thankyou cockneyrebel il look into that 
    do you happen to know if librarys have people who can advise you on challengeing ESA 
  • CockneyRebelCockneyRebel Posts: 5,246Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    I doubt that a library will be able to help other than point you to any local advice agency
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    edited February 19
    I agree, a library won't be able to give advice on a MR.  https://advicelocal.uk/ That will help you find what's in your area. Remember, ESA is not about a diagnosis, it's how those conditions affect you.

  • BenistmonkBenistmonk Posts: 326Member Pioneering
    You can do the MR by phone, then send the form as a follow up if you like.
  • audigirlaudigirl Posts: 46Member Connected
    Thankyou poppy 123456
    really appreciate your help at this stressful time x
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    janejr said:
    Waiting to go my docs now and feel on the verge of breaking down and all because my assessor omitted to put in my report about my hands wrists and elbows therefore able to manager a wheelchair manually. She wrote nothing on the pain my elbows are and that my hand goes numb with strong tingglin in them. I've got to ask doctor for a letter saying in her opinion I can't propel a manual wheelchair. Assesor seemed so nice I can't get my head round it. Why lie and leave things out. I just know I'm going to show myself up and cry down doctors I just feel so helpless osteoarthritis in all my joints pain unbearable then this. Feel so low
    Sorry, i missed this. Just wanted to wish you good luck with the MR.
  • audigirlaudigirl Posts: 46Member Connected
    Hi everyone
    im currently waiting in my esa mr decision 
    iv no money for anything no bread milk is low so is there anywere i can contact to get help for a loan i dont want credit card what how have you guys ladies survived 
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    Council go welfare they give you food gas elec I’m same
  • audigirlaudigirl Posts: 46Member Connected
    Hi dotty thankyou do you call them or online x
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    Ring your council tel them you have no money or that they will ask bout esa then do food for you 
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    Yes I’m waiting on that but said can’t have gas elec sorry I’m starving diabetic
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    I'm so sorry to hear this Dotty! Some food banks help with gas/electric but not sure if all of them do. When is your PIP payment due?
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    Poppy council have suspended my rent what do I do I’m to old to be home 
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Dotty123 said:
    Poppy council have suspended my rent what do I do I’m to old to be home 
    That will be because your ESA has stopped. As i advised before, you need to ring them and ask them to send you a nil income form, fill this out and return it and your rent/council tax reduction will continue as normal. You won't be homeless.
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    I asked for nil income form she says don’t exist anymore but filled in form to say esa stopped she said rent still get paid will go see her again 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Yes it does exist but as long as you've been told that your rent will still be paid then you have nothing to worry about with that at least. :)
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    I got letter today my rent has been suspended so what do I do she said nil income don’t exist then made me fill form she said be fine then got that letter today 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    The letter was most probably automatically sent when it flagged on the computer that your ESA stopped, DWP do have contact with local councils.

    As you've filled out the form then your housing benefit will continue. The nil income form still exists, i'm not sure why you were told that.
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    I went last week today asked bout nil income form she says laughing our council don’t do them this letter says suspended sorry bother you 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Your housing benefit will still be paid through nil income Dotty. Please ring your local council tomorrow morning.
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    I will this has been awful thank you for your help xx
  • audigirlaudigirl Posts: 46Member Connected
    Thankyou ladies phoned my council today they have asked me to attend cab foodbank however i read in ur link that you need to have a voucher but i dont have one i asked the lady on phone if i needed a ref no or something she said no 
    im asking because i dont want to waste going if i dont get anything i dont have a penny to my name now x
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Yes, you need a voucher for a food bank. They can't give you the food without the voucher. Once you have this then they'll give you 3 days worth of emergency food.
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    I got food today I Neva had voucher council did it x

  • janejrjanejr Posts: 122Member Pioneering
    Had a terrible day yesterday. Went for my first jsa appointment at the job centre. When I got there they told me I hadn't got an appointment and i had actually missed it on the 15 the. I said no I phoned on they 15th to make the appointment. They wouldn't have it and was actually going to send me away but I broke down and started crying my eyes out sobbing . The manager agreed to do my application as everyone else was busy. They rushed around getting tissues and water for me and I had to sit for twenty minutes doing a form online with the manager. Then she sat me at a desk with my son to complete paper work which took another twenty minutes. Just as me and my son was finishing form the manager came up to us and said stop we don't need that now I've found your application and it goes from the 12 the so we can go. The manager said just bring your sick note next time and you won't have to come again. Got home feeling very ill and had to bed as couldntc stand pain in hip from sitting and my head aches I felt like I'd been in a boxing match. 
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    Oh hope your better now there such a **** up 
  • janejrjanejr Posts: 122Member Pioneering
    This was my first meeting with DWP employees and dare say will have many more as will do the MR then appeal , first meet and they balls it up. I have no faith or trust in them. They will probably give me a break down every time we meet. Hope all goes well for you  Dotty
  • audigirlaudigirl Posts: 46Member Connected
    Aww janejr 
    they are total ***ts 
    hope you feel abit better now your home 
    as you probably kno im waiting for my MR on ESA wel today i went to the foodbank & a lovely bloke put me in the steps to tackle these **nts dwp he said i should never have been taken off ESA becos its an illness no one can detect & to get to my drs get a sick note and put it in so thats what im going to try next 
    dwp or horrible people in my eyes i agree theyv a job to do but not takeing our self right just wish it happens to them when they are older take care love x
  • audigirlaudigirl Posts: 46Member Connected
    janejr said:
    I went for an ESA assessment on the 14th December and today received a phone call to say it's been stopped as scored zero points. I'm so shocked as felt all was well. The assessor seemed friendly and sympathetic even saying aww that looks sore when looking at my elbows. I have OA in both knees , feet, hands, wrists, and elbows. Also DDD in back. I had told assessor about the pain I'm in every day and how my life is controlled by it so I'm baffled by this decision. I've now got to go through the process of changing my benefit to J.S.A and go for a interview at the job centre and make a mandatory reconsideration when I get their letter. 
    Feel so low and stressed about it all why do they do this to people. Surely if your in chronic pain they can't do this to people. Has anyone got any advice please I feel like I can't cope

    I'll keep it simple, do not claim a new benefit, it will screw everything up.

    1. ESA stopped after assessment.

    2. Ask for Mandatory Reconsideration. When you receive that letter, they might reverse the decision to stop ESA.

    If the decision remains unchanged, most likely outcome.

    3. Start an appeal using SSCS1 form, you can get it online.

    4. Tribunal receives your appeal, they will let you know in writing of this.

    5. Phone DWP when you have tribunal letter, give them the reference No off it.

    6. ESA will be paid at assessment rate pending appeal.

    The whole process takes around 5 weeks.

    Good luck.

  • audigirlaudigirl Posts: 46Member Connected
    Can i just ask i know i post alot of questions recently and you have all been fantastic in helping
    would i be ok to send a drs note in to job centre to cover my mr in esa the deadline is 8th march 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    audigirl said:
    Can i just ask i know i post alot of questions recently and you have all been fantastic in helping
    would i be ok to send a drs note in to job centre to cover my mr in esa the deadline is 8th march 
    Do you mean a sick note? If so then this won't help your ESA MR. If you mean a letter from your GP then yes send it.
  • audigirlaudigirl Posts: 46Member Connected
    I was meaning a letter from my gp but was also thinking that a sicknote would prove im ill just a thought x
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    A sick note is note classed as evidence.
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    Hi poppy when did you say I need a sick note and when where do I send it x
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Dotty123 said:
    Hi poppy when did you say I need a sick note and when where do I send it x
    If the MR decision stays the same and most do. Then you'll need a sick note once the Tribunal accept your appeal, it's needed to be able to go back onto assessment rate of ESA. It will also need to be backdated to the date you were found fit for work.
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    Where do I send it I’m in wallsend 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    You'll need to ring DWP to ask for the address because all areas are different.
  • BenistmonkBenistmonk Posts: 326Member Pioneering
    I got my sick note double quick after receiving the dreaded letter from the DWP saying my ESA was stopped. I know the routine you see and didn't want to leave it too long in case the doctor wouldn't backdate it to the day my ESA was stopped. 

    The sick note has to cover you from day one anyway so you might as well get it as soon as you can. Scan it in online.  ;)
  • audigirlaudigirl Posts: 46Member Connected
    Benistmonk
    did you take it to the job centre with your ni number on 
    this is what my welfare fella told me to do 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Yes, you can take it to your local job centre but make sure they give you a receipt for what you give them. Or you can send them online. Link here. https://dwpdigital.blog.gov.uk/2018/05/22/collaborating-to-develop-the-send-your-fit-note-service/

  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    Poppy dr did me new letter and sick note backdated to 14/2 thank you 
  • janejrjanejr Posts: 122Member Pioneering
    Hi poppy123456 I've just been told I'm now on jsa income related is that right I don't understand what income related means. I don't want any more **** ups so want to make sure that they get it right
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    janejr said:
    Hi poppy123456 I've just been told I'm now on jsa income related is that right I don't understand what income related means. I don't want any more **** ups so want to make sure that they get it right
    That would be correct yes. Income related is means tested and depends on household income/savings/capital. Contributions based is the one you claim when you've worked and paid NI contributions in the 2 tax years before your claim.
  • janejrjanejr Posts: 122Member Pioneering
    Thank you Poppy I'm sure he said £170 a week and that seems alot . Would that stay the same if I lost my appeal. 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Do you claim PIP, if so what award do you have? I'm assuming you were claiming the SDP with your ESA?
  • BenistmonkBenistmonk Posts: 326Member Pioneering
    audigirl said:
    Benistmonk
    did you take it to the job centre with your ni number on 
    this is what my welfare fella told me to do 

    No, I sent it online here, takes a few seconds if you have an iPad or iPhone. 

    https://www.gov.uk/send-fit-note
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    How do they no it’s from you at dwp I’m claiming nothing just appealing esa
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Dotty123 said:
    How do they no it’s from you at dwp I’m claiming nothing just appealing esa
    You put your national insurance number on the online form, which means it's linked to you.
  • janejrjanejr Posts: 122Member Pioneering
    Yes poppy I've got pip middle for daily living and high mobility and yes I was getting SDP. Assessor said I could work by propelling myself in a wheelchair. She ignored me telling her I have OA in hands wrists and elbows
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    Cani do electronic one to send
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    janejr said:
    Yes poppy I've got pip middle for daily living and high mobility and yes I was getting SDP. Assessor said I could work by propelling myself in a wheelchair. She ignored me telling her I have OA in hands wrists and elbows
    As you're claiming PIP then when claiming JSA there's 2 disability premiums available. Once is £35.55 per week and the other (SDP) is £64.30 per week and the £73.10 per week, gives a total of approximately £172 per week. Which is approximately £20 per week less than Support Group ESA.

    A diagnosis of OA isn't enough, you need to tell them why you can't self propel a wheelchair.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 11,912Community champion Disability Gamechanger
  • janejrjanejr Posts: 122Member Pioneering
    Thank you Poppy your such a great help and so clever x
  • Dotty123Dotty123 Posts: 453Member Pioneering
    Poppy council say may not pay rent as it’s my fault I’m not claiming benefit cos I’m taking esa mr and tribunal is this right sorry bothering you again 
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