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Pip due to end feb 2020

anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
edited August 23 in PIP, DLA and AA
Hi everyone jyst joined your community and seems lots of helpful info so hoping u can help me. 
My pip is due to end 7rh feb 2020 can you please advise if they send a renewal form out and if so when? 
Thanks
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  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Hi,

    If you were awarded by a Tribunal then you'll be contacted by DWP 14 weeks before the award ends.

    If you were awarded by DWP then reviews times have now changed to 6 months before, rather than 1 year before like they used to be.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Hi poppy it dont think it will be a review as i had a review last year (a year into my 2 year award) and they continued my claim to feb 2020. Will it be a renewal form then do you know? And I have not heard anything from them as yet? Other things ive read say they contact you approx 14 weeks before the claim is due to end. Do tou have any further advice please?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Those that are contacted 14 weeks before are those that were awarded by a Tribunal.

    You need to check your award letter and it will tell exactly when your award ends. Renewals depend on the length of your award. As you weren't awarded by a Tribunal then it will be a renewal, 6 months before the award ends.

    When you're reviewed and a decision is made, if successful then you're always given a new award date, length and time.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    The decision letter says pip to stay rhe same until 7th feb 2020 but they will write to me after march 19 but have not heard anything yet!!!! Should i contact rhem?
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    And thanks for your help by the way
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    You'll be sent the review forms 6 months before the award ends. Review times changed in January 2019 and they are now 6 months not 12 months before.

    You can of course contact them, if it puts your mind at rest but the award letter does state after March 2019.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Thanks poppy, whats concerning me is 6 months before should have been last week 7th august so thougjt i would have received something from them.  As it is taking them a long time to complete assessments I want to avoid any gaps and/or problems a gap in pip would cause so think it better I contact them. 
    Thanks again for your help
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Then it's most likely on it's way as we "speak" give them a quick ring Monday when they open at 8 just to sure. Always happen to help.

    When you do receive it, please make sure you put as much information about how your conditions affect you as possible. Ignore the short form and treat it as a new claim. Adding some real life examples of what happened the last time you attempted that activity for each descriptor that applies will also help. Evidence should be sent with the form to support your claim.

    Good luck.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Thanks poppy, are you sure it will be another short form? As it was a short form last time. Also are you able change the appt if yoy are unable to attend? Thanks for your advice
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    You're welcome. Yes, review forms are always shorter. This is an example of what the form will look like. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/756542/ar1-pip-award-review-how-your-disability-affects-you.pdf

    You can change the appointment once. If a home assessment is needed you'll need a letter from your GP stating the reasons why you can't attend the assessment centre.

  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Bur isnt the renewal form.the much longer form? The renewal form is what i'm expecting not the review
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Renewal/review are the same thing and its the form in the link above you'll receive not the PIP2 form.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Right ok, its most confusing this. Also ive developed a condition called vertigo since may 18, it can be a one off or can come back for no apparent reason and ive had at least 4 episodes of it since last may, currently waoting for appt dor further investigation, should i have let pip know or can i just explain that its a condition that came out of the blue and it can just stop occurring or people can just keep getting episodes of it? Everythings really worrying me 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    It's a worrying time for everyone going through renewals/reviews but it will be the form in the link above you'll receive.

    For PIP the condition must affect you at least 50% of the time over a 12 month period, otherwise it's not taken into consideration.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Thank you poppy you are very informative. Is it ok to repost to you if have any more questions?.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    You're welcome. Yes of course, any further questions please just ask and i'm sure someone will help. :)
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Hi there just want to confirm that a face to face can be rearranged once without them stopping your claim
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Thanks poppy xx
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Hi there, i have just received my pip review/renewal form with only 3 weels to complete, as poppy advised it is the shorter form with not much room  to explain my difficulties which are severe anxiety, srvere clinical depression, insomnia, nervous wreck
     Any advice on how to explain the difficulties experienced. Any advice would be much appreciated.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    You can ring DWP to request an extra 14 days to return the form. Yes, there's limited space, as there is on most forms so my advice would be to use extra A4 paper to write any extra information you need. Make sure you write your name and NI number on the top of everything you send.

    No one can tell you how to explain your difficulties because no one knows how your conditions affect you. Just explain it as best you can and add a couple of real life examples of what happened the last time you attempted that activity for each descriptor that applies. Dont forget to send evidence to support your claim. Good luck.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    My sister has rang pio today and got the extension, she's only just informed me, she also asked for herself and my locak councillor to be authorized to speak on my behalf as im not gud talking to people on the ohone, he advised someone would have to come out to ensure they were suitable as authorised people but he could update their details  on the system and they would be able to discuss most of issues regarding my claim if they rang. My sister fmgave him the details and asked him yo confirm written authorisation isnt required and he confirned no. Is this correct popy? Or do u think we should send in written authorisation?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    This sounds like someone becoming your appointee. If you're unable to manage your own affairs because you're mentally incapable or severely disabled.

    The person becoming your appointee will need to give their bank details for your money to be paid into their bank, deal with your benefits on your behalf, which means receiving all letters addressed to them, be responsible for filling out all forms and report changes of circumstances.

    If you're capable of doing those things yourself then no appointee is needed. https://www.gov.uk/become-appointee-for-someone-claiming-benefits

  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Thanls poppy, my sister already has my benefits paid into her bank and speaks to people on the phone once i have given authorisation so think just leave it at that for now. Im ok speaking inline like this just not good dealing with people on the phone, so she said just leave it as it is for now. Thanks again for your advice its been invaluable as always
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Hi poppy sorry but another query for you. My g.p has agreed to write a supporting letter but the pip form states a supporting letter from the g.p is not accepted it has to be a record and/or treatment plan. Can i ask the g.p to change from supporting letter to a written report and next course of treatment due to be put into progress, which is referral back to primary mental health team, medication review and sleep clinic referral? 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    The reason why a letter from your GP isn't the best evidence to send is because very often a GP will not know how your conditions affect you against the PIP descriptors. They will only be able to give very basic information like future appointments, medication etc. Future appointment dates aren't classed as evidence because it doesn't tell them anything about your conditions. All it tells them is you're waiting for an appointment.

    It doesn't mean you can't send a letter from your GP because lots of people do but a GP will very likely charge you for this and paying for something will very little information in it seems pointless.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    My g.p has agreed to put something in writing and he asked for written details regarding how my disability affects me.  Will this suffice as a report if he also confirms what treatnent he is going to refer me to as i have just been seen by the community mental team and he is waiting for the letter from them before completing his letter which my sister is going to ask him to change to a record/treatment plan on monday. Do you think this will be ok if he agrees as at the moment all i have as evidence is a letter from the cbt therapist confirming i attended 13 sessions but she had to stop therapy as my anxiety levels were to high and i am.waiting for the letter from the community mental health team confirming that i need referrering back to primary mental health care, a medication review and referral to a sleep clinic. Also a diary over 7 days compiled by my sister and a personal statement from her. Sorry to keep asking poppy but i am so stresses out and just need pointers for my g.p.
    Thanks again very much
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    anthonyj1 said:
    My g.p has agreed to put something in writing and he asked for written details regarding how my disability affects me. 
    This could be classed as a patient lead letter of evidence. Which means you've told your GP how you're affected and they have just confirmed those details in a written letter.

    I can't tell you what evidence you should or shouldn't send that's your decision. The diary and statement could be useful.
  • cristobalcristobal Posts: 798Member Pioneering
    @anthonyj1 I agree with Poppy. If you ask your doctor for a 'supporting letter' then it will inevitably include what you have just told him/her to write. I imagine that's why DWP don't consider them. My GP knew nothing about PIP when I asked her so would have been of little value anyway...

    You must do what you think best but my advice is to spend your money on something else...
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Ok thank you very much but my g.p has said he wont charge me. If does include how my disability affects me and treatment plan can this not be classed as evidence? 
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Also if i consult an independant psychiatrist and obtain a report from him can i use this as evidence? 
  • cristobalcristobal Posts: 798Member Pioneering
    edited August 17
    @anthonyj1 - if it's free I'd say it's good value!

    I think a lot depends on what he/she writes - if they actually say what you can and can't do, and it's their opinion not yours, then I would have thought that it would be useful...

    Assuming that someone reads it that is ...

    Good luck

    PS I don't know exactly what a treatment plan is but I'm guessing that it's how they propose to make you better, not how  you can/ can't carry out daily tasks (which is a different specialism)
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Thanks for your help much appreciated
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Would an independant psychiatrists report help? 
  • cristobalcristobal Posts: 798Member Pioneering
    edited August 17
    @anthonyj1 - what I would do is ask yourself this...

    " Does this report/letter etc say anything about my functional ability? Or is it purely about diagnosis and treatment/"

    If it's about functional ability i.e. what you can/ can't do then I'd send it...

    The 'problem' is that most medical professionals - GP's, consultants etc - diagnose illness and treat it - they don't have a lot to do with functionality. If they think you need help with that then they'd refer you to a specialist ..

    I've never looked at my medical notes but I imagine they run into hundreds of pages and none of them would 'support' a PIP claim...
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Thanks for all your advice, this is a very helpful forum xx
  • worried33worried33 Posts: 302Member Pioneering
    In regards to returning the form, what the DWP told me was essentially I could return it late doesnt matter but if the deadline is missed then it prevents the payments been backdated to the phone call unless an acceptable reason is provided for been late, so the claim will still be accepted, but the start date of the claim is put at risk.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    The pip confirmed over the phone an extension had been granted to the 20th sept, deadline date was the 8th seot but the form wasnt received until the 16th aug, giving  3 weeks to complete the form. The gentlemen at pip advised automatic extensions were being granted due to problems with post, my pip is still in payment at the moment. My sister will be rechecking wiith pip again this  week to ensure the deadline extension has defintely been granted to the 20th sept.
  • worried33worried33 Posts: 302Member Pioneering
    Yeah for me I have no idea if they extended my date.

    I had an extension due to waiting for cab appointment.
    But then I forgot to ask for another extension when waiting for evidence from GP, so when that was sent it was late, I did attach a note explaining the reason and asking for them to still accept it.
    When I rang is when I was told it will be accepted but the unknown would be my start date due to it been late.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Thanks for the information, its a very difficult process isnt it? 😑😑😑 did u get your award in the end?
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Hi again, can you advise how i ask for a paper assessment instead of a f2f due to overwhelming stress and anxiety it will cause?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Most people have a face to face assessment, it's rare to have a paper based one. For them to agree to a paper based then you'll need to send in good evidence to prove those descriptors apply to you.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Thanks poppy x
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Would a letter from my g.p and local councillor requesting paper based assessment due to overwhelming stress and recent overdose count as good evidence for paper based? 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    All you can do is try but unless your local councilor knows you well then it will be of very little use.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Ok poppy thanks very much again x
  • worried33worried33 Posts: 302Member Pioneering
    edited August 26
    cristobal said:
    @anthonyj1 I agree with Poppy. If you ask your doctor for a 'supporting letter' then it will inevitably include what you have just told him/her to write. I imagine that's why DWP don't consider them. My GP knew nothing about PIP when I asked her so would have been of little value anyway...

    You must do what you think best but my advice is to spend your money on something else...
    You could make that argument for consultants as well, there is no difference between a GP and consultant in that regard.

    I personally think GPs are well placed as they tend to see a "lot" of the patient whilst a consultant may see someone once, twice, if more maybe once or twice a year?  I dont think I have ever seen a single consultant more than 3 or 4 times.

    OT's are also good people to have for supporting evidence.

    I think its disrespectful to GPs to imply they will go against their medical opinion when supplying evidence for benefits, as thats their integrity they damaging.  I can understand a GP if they 50/50 on it would lean towards supporting their patient, but I dont believe many GPs would outright lie.

    I have had GPs refuse me requests before for things like sick notes and evidence for ESA.  You make it sound like they just write whatever anyone asks when I know by experience they dont.

    There is also a lady on here who recently posted her GP didnt support her when asked for PIP evidence, thats further proof they wont routinely go against their own medical opinion.

    I have heard stories that the DWP (and AP's) routinely ignore evidence from family members perhaps for similar reasons, something I have took anger to and wrote a letter to my MP about, I can understand that evidence having a low weight if its disputed by a professional, but it shouldnt be routinely disregarded if there is nothing opposing it.  On my PIP report, there was not even a mention of my sister's letter which suggests it was completely disregarded, as all my other evidence (including from myself) was mentioned even when the HCP disagreed with it.

    Thats a cultural attitude that basically assumes people are guilty of dishonesty without proof, thats a dangerous road to go down.

    This is why I dont like reading comments like "assessor will see right through you", there seems to be a cultural attitude that by default people are dishonest and treated as such, the AP's and DWP should be assessing on evidence, and not making assumptions that certain pieces of evidence are fake because the person might decide to lie.  HCP's are not there as anti fraud officers (or at least they shouldnt be) they just there to provide a medical opinion.

    The harrington report showed a lot of cultural issues within the DWP, recommendations included pushing DM's to treat HCP reports a single piece of evidence "equal" to others and not as a sole source of decision, to not be scared to go against these recommendations, recommendations to treat claimants with respect, not to assume they dishonest, worryingly I find a lot of happenings on PIP assessments go against this report, and are strongly in the other direction.  I am not even sure if PIP assessment procedures have even been reviewed by an independent external auditor.

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2012-11-05/debates/1211058000015/HarringtonReport

    There was another auditor more recent who assessed the DWP, and he was very critical of them, his recommendation was to disband the entire department as the cultural issues within were too severe, the DWP rejected simple ideas like providing a cup of tea when doing interviews with claimants at a job centre.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    This comment you made "This is why I dont like reading comments like "assessor will see right through you"

    This is what could happen and what i advise others when i see people giving the advice to fill out their form "as if it's their worst day" This is the worst advice i've ever seen and makes me cringe when i see it. Why? because if someone does this and attends their face to face assessment they have to confirm what's been written in their PIP2 form. PIP isn't about how you are at least 50% of the time over a 12 month period not about your worst days.
  • cristobalcristobal Posts: 798Member Pioneering
    @worried33 - just to clarify my comment above I'm not at all saying that GPs are dishonest, incompetent or anything else and I am sorry if I gave that impression. They are highly trained to diagnose and treat a multitude of conditions. My GP is exceptional.

    My point, which it seems that I didn't make very well, was that GPs aren't trained in OH nor contracted to carry out examinations for the DWP. 


  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Hi poppy just to clarify so pip is in respect of how you are 50% of the time and you should not base your form on your worst days although my worse days are almost always present. I dont really have good days
    And regarding my g.p letter/record. My g.p has been my g.p for 25 years, he has been extremely supportive throughout my difficuties/illnessesss and i see/speak to him a lot so he has full awareness of .my difficulties and the support i receive from my family. He also stated he has completed leeters/reports on numerous occassions for other patients so I do feel the letter/record would be vakuable evidence for me but please consider my response and if you could ler me know what you think i would be most grateful. Also worried 33 has stated they dont read evidence submitted by family. The citizens advice have advised me this is treated as evidence as family have a better insight. Worried 33 post has again left me confused. Could you please provide further advice in respect of my queries,
    Thanks poppy
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Yes, PIP is about how you're affected at least 50% of the time over a 12 month period. You say your worst days are almost always present but that means they aren't always your worst days. Your days are never good but maybe you have days that are better, just not good. Tell them this, give real life examples of what happened the last time you attempted that activity.

    I'm not saying don't send a supporting letter from your GP, of course you can send it but whether it's used or not is a different story. It really depends what exactly was said and how much detail they went into in relation to the PIP descriptors but again does a GP really know enough?  It's good you have a supportive GP because lots of people don't have this.

    Supporting letters from family and friends. I sent a supporting letter from my daughters PA that supports her for 8 hours per week and it went into detail about what she needs support with and why but it was completely ignored and it wasn't even mentioned in the report. For my daughter it didn't really matter because she was awarded Enhanced for both parts anyway. That letter could have been useful at a Tribunal, if needed.

    I've never found CAB particularly helpful in the past to be honest. I've used them a few times to fill out ESA and PIP forms but what they've wrote down has always been very limited.

    For evidence, all you can do is send what you have and they'll either use it or they won't. Only you can decide what you send. Remember though that the only person that really knows how you're affected is yourself and those real life examples will help. There are good stories out there but we don't often hear about them.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Thanks poppy once again your advice has been exceptional
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    At the assessment should it be asked if all evidence hss been looked at?.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    You're welcome. There's no harm in asking that question.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Okie dokie thanks poppy. Also as you are not that impressed with the CAB would you just complere the short boxes saying see additional information as their is just no room to write anthing, as you have already stated.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Yes, just use extra sheets of paper which is what i did for my daughters last PIP review.
  • worried33worried33 Posts: 302Member Pioneering
    This comment you made "This is why I dont like reading comments like "assessor will see right through you"

    This is what could happen and what i advise others when i see people giving the advice to fill out their form "as if it's their worst day" This is the worst advice i've ever seen and makes me cringe when i see it. Why? because if someone does this and attends their face to face assessment they have to confirm what's been written in their PIP2 form. PIP isn't about how you are at least 50% of the time over a 12 month period not about your worst days.
    yeah dont get me wrong, people should never lie I even held back my CAB advisor who wanted to lie on my behalf, I just dont like the way those type of comments are worded thats all as it implies people are dishonest by default :)

    A bit like the sun calling all claimants fraudsters.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    You seem to really have an issue with me...

    The only time i'll ever make that comment "assessor will see right through you" is when someone advises that they should base it on their worst day.
  • worried33worried33 Posts: 302Member Pioneering
    I got no issue with you poppy  I am not good at putting things into words sorry.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Hi poppy, regardung the completuon of the pip form, is it ok to just write in the boxes see additional information or do you have to write something in tbe boxes? 
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Pip form nearly done , letter from mp and gp asking for a papee based assessment. Will they contact to say if paper assessment will be completed or will they just send an appt out if they dont agree to paper based?
    Also any ideas of the waiting times in manchester?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Most people have face to face assessments, paper based ones are very rare so expect a face to face assessment. They will send an appointment in the post, if one is needed.

    There's no timescales, it depends on backlog in your area. Some wait weeks and others wait months.
  • vikingqueenvikingqueen Posts: 89Member Pioneering
    I sent my pip review form back on the 16th of August and today i received my award without going to an assessment. I sent in all the letters i got from my consultant along with my medication lists. I didn't bother to put my doctors name on the form just my specialist nurse's as she is the one that knows more as to how my illness affects me.
        My advise is don't send too much information, just what is relevant to your illness
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    I sent my pip review form back on the 16th of August and today i received my award without going to an assessment. I sent in all the letters i got from my consultant along with my medication lists. I didn't bother to put my doctors name on the form just my specialist nurse's as she is the one that knows more as to how my illness affects me.
        My advise is don't send too much information, just what is relevant to your illness
    Are you sure that's a new decision because it seems rather quick. DWP wouldn't have received your form for at least 7 working days after you returned it. Once it's returned it's sent to the health assessment providers who decide if a paper based assessment can be done or not. A report needs to be written, even if no face face is needed and this alone can take weeks. Once the report is returned to DWP then a decisions made on your claim. 15 days just seems way too quick!

    The letter you received today, does it have a new end date on that? please check the letter, if it was a decision on your review then your award end date will have changed.

    I would definitely ring DWP first thing Monday morning and ask if a decision's been made on your review. It would be awful to receive an appointment for a face to face assessment in the future, if you think a decision's already been made.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
  • vikingqueenvikingqueen Posts: 89Member Pioneering
    hi @poppy123456 i worded it wrong sorry, my review form was due back by the 16th, i actually posted it on the 6th... yes it is a new award payable until August 2023 i am as surprised as you that it didn't  take that long. Could you tell me if there will be a report i can ring for ? 
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Hi viking queen can i ask what area you live and do you know the assessment office is that assessed your claim? And was your award basex on your physical or mental health difficulties or both?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    hi @poppy123456 i worded it wrong sorry, my review form was due back by the 16th, i actually posted it on the 6th... yes it is a new award payable until August 2023 i am as surprised as you that it didn't  take that long. Could you tell me if there will be a report i can ring for ? 
    That's very quick indeed. Yes, you can ring DWP for a copy of the assessment report to be sent to you.
  • vikingqueenvikingqueen Posts: 89Member Pioneering
    Hi @anthonyj1, i live in the north west, not sure of the assessment office i just sent my form to the dwp at Wolverhampton.
        Mine is just for physical health. 1st time i applied i had to have a face to face as most people do and that was at Burnley in Lancashire and that only took about 5 weeks in total. Maybe we are just lucky in this area
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Hi viking queen, im from the north west too and  will be sending my form next week. My previous assessmentd have been in salford but sent to wolverhampton same as you. I have requested paper bases and hope they agrre, ss they are rare you have been really lucky to get your decision by paper and so quickly. Will keel thus post updated. Bet ur very pleased with the quick turnaround and award!!!!
  • vikingqueenvikingqueen Posts: 89Member Pioneering
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  • pollyanna1052pollyanna1052 Posts: 1,320Member Disability Gamechanger
    Phew! Read all these comments with interest. I had hoped I might get a paper based assessment, but no, I have my f2f at home on thursday.
    Hope you get paper based Anthony.

    All this is winding us all into knots of every description!
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Sorry you have had to have a f2f. Did you get a supporting letter from your mp and g.p. ? Most definitely a stress and mainly a yearly occurrence now. Not good at all just exacerbates all our illnessess profoundly.i'll keep u updated. Hope ur home assessment goes well
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    To give everyone an update, despite letter from MP, local Councillor, CAB and personal letter from my sister requesting  paper assessment AND the DWP recommending paper based assessment, my sistee received quite an abruot phone call from ATOS stating there were inconsistencies with my claim of respect of driving. My sister advised she answered the questions as asked on the form, can drive short distances in local vacinity but completely unable to complete  or plan unfamiliar journeys, that would cause much distress. However, he stated home visit required, we could have appealed but just want it out of the way, so any help/advice regarding pip mental health home assessments would be much appreciated. Hope yours went ok pollyanna 1052.
    Hope poppy is available as her advice is 2nd to none 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    A home assessment is the same as an assessment in one of there assessment centres, except it's in your own home. Everything else will be the same. They will ask you questions about your conditions and how they affect you. You will also have to verify what was written on the form, so hopefully a copy was kept before you returned the form so you'll be able to have a read through before the day of the assessment.

    You will be watched from the minute they arrive to the minute they leave. You will have to speak for yourself during the assessment unless you have an appointee and then that person will be able to speak on your behalf. If you don't have an appointee then the person with you maybe able to prompt you but it will depend on the HCP on the day.

    Once you've had the assessment wait a week then ring DWP to request a copy of the assessment report to be sent to you. This will give you some idea what the decision is likely to be because they mostly go with the report.

    Good luck and do let us know the outcome.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Thanks poppy once more, ive got the local coincillor and the cab coming to provide support as i dont trust them, so they defintely wont be able to spk on my behalf? Only prompt? Im really anxious and iwill be in a real state at this appt. Dont understand why this assessor haa gone against the mp, local councillor, cab and even dwo recommending paper based and stated inconstincies with the mobimity questions when my sister told the truth, local shop and short journeys can cope with ok but unable to plan and follow a route to an unfamiliar place, its made me feel like they're up to no good already 😑😑😑 what do u think? Xx
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    You're welcome. May i ask if your local councilor and local MP know you personally? If they don't then i'm not sure how a letter from them would have helped. Face to face assessments are nothing to do with DWP it the health assessment providers that deal with those.

    I'm surprised that a local CAB representative is attending the assessment with you because they don't have the funding to attend assessments with people. I'm afraid you will need to speak for yourself during the assessment because you're the only only who knows how your conditions affect you.

    Difficult to comment about the driving without knowing all your details.  Not sure what you mean by "they're up to no good" most people have face to face assessments, it's rare to have paper based assessment. For this reason then i'm not surprised you've been sent an appointment for a face to face assessment.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Yes the local councilor knows me well and wrote a very strong letter in support if a paper based assessment, the CAB  spoke to the DWP and they advised they recomended a paper based also,  so my sister thought they could make a decision b4 it went to atos, obviously all claims must get sent to atos/capita then? CAB have been really good but they did mess the form up badly firsr tine round but rectified it immediately.  With regard to the mobility my sister didnt understand what he meant by inconsistencies ehen he rang, as she clearly answered the questions truthfully and he just wasnt very explanatory and was abrupt and said that was why he had decided a home visit was required, so she finds it most confusing as she isnt bothered about the mobility award its just the daily living she wants to ensure remains correct and correct descriptors applied. And yes its very gud thar the CAB are attending also. 
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Thanks again poppy, think my sister is worried how they will be bcos of the gentlemen's abruptness and impoliteness when he rang her
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    All forms are sent to the health assessment providers because a decision can't be made without an assessment report being written and this happens for both face to face and paper based assessments.

    For the rest then i'm afraid it's impossible to try to second guess anything at this stage. Good luck for the assessment and don't forget to request that report about a week later.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    I wont ive told my sister already, thanks again 4 your help, its such a difficult process and dont think i will cope very well at this assessment, not gud with strangers in my home but will keep u updated xx  enjoy the rest of ur wkend xx
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Hi poppy/everyone i"ve received my pip home assessment form but have got to rearrange as cab cant attend on the day. Im worried about questions about driving as apparently a lot of people are getting pip refused because they drive. I only drive short distances on my own i.e to the local shop to get liquid 4 my e cigarette which is 1 minute away in the car and always early when it is quiet, cannot do unfamiliar journeys on my own get to panicked about it and other journeys always completed with someone in the car with me. Any advice on this subject poppy or anyone please
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    Do be aware that you can only cancel an appointment once, you must attend the next one.

    All of your conditions and how they affect you should have been explained in the form that you returned back, you will just need to verify what was written. Driving can sometimes go against you. All you can do is be honest when you answer those questions. If it's mental health you're claiming for then whether you'll be awarded points for following and planning a journey will depend how your conditions affect you. It's difficult to give any advice without knowing everything about your conditions and how they affect you.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Thanks poppy, the mobilty part not really bothered about, my sister and cab just answered the questions on the form
    ts going to unfamiliar places and unfamiliar people that causes the problem, condotions are ptsd, severe clinical depression, severe anxiety, insomnia, parannoia and extremely wary of unfamiliar people, 
    My sister has decided to go ahead with this appt due to the stress it is causing. A family friend will be present
    Just have to see how it goes, thanks poppy as always 
  • cristobalcristobal Posts: 798Member Pioneering
    anthonyj1 said:
    ... apparently a lot of people are getting pip refused because they drive.
    @anthonyj1 - I think it will depend on what tasks you have said that you have difficulty with..

    It seems that the assessors ask about driving, which is not included in the PIP descriptors, in order to 'corroborate' what you have said in other parts of your application. If you are able to drive they assume - rightly or wrongly - that you have good cognitive skills, can get in and out of the car, sit for long periods, grip the key and put it in the ignition, are coordinated, and a lot more besides...

    This might contradict what you have put if, for example, you claim that you can't hold a vegetable peeler, understand a recipe or find your way from A to B...

    Good luck...

    PS I'm not saying that this is right, just what seems to happen based on my assessment...


  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Thanks 4 ur reply cristobel, what happened with ur assessment? If u dont mind me asking? 
  • cristobalcristobal Posts: 798Member Pioneering
    @anthonyj1 - I don't mind ...

    In brief, I had an assessor who came across as uncaring and wasn't a very good interviewer either. Lots of leading questions, assumptions, irregularities, and a report that was written in poor English with bad grammar, typos and meaningless paragraphs.

    Turned out alright though - I convinced them to alter all the mistakes, and write it in English, and was successful at MR...

    Mine was a nightmare - but I'm pretty certain I'm in the minority. Most are OK...
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Thanks for letting me know, 
    I will keep u updated
  • DuffersMumDuffersMum Posts: 54Member Courageous
    I have been marked down in my assessment because I drive..that I drive once or twice a week and only short distances seems to make the assessor presume I can walk more than 20m..utter rubbish...I’m not weight bearing when I’m driving and have no problem with my feet, it’s my knees, hip and back which are the problem..I’ve yet to speak to a case manager as my case is still in the queue waiting to be assigned but I ring every other day because I am determined to put my point across before they make their decision..it’s very wrong to presume because you can drive you are capable of walking further than you can with no taking into account the amount of pain walking causes you.
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Posts: 5,842Administrator Scope community team
    Thank you @anthonyj1, I hope things go well for you!
    Chloe
    Online Community Officer
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Not good is it Chloe!!! Seems like your not allowed to be ill or have health problems, its absolutely ridiculous what they are putting everyone through. I`ve tried to overdose may this year because I cant stand the lack of mental health resources, medication not working and these constant claim forms. If it wasn't for my family I wouldn't be here and now I have to worry that I drive my car to the local shop (which is 30 seconds away) any other car journeys are accompanied. other than that I don't leave the house. Sorry you have had such a raw deal, I'm yet to hear a positive with this pip!!! will keep u updated, take care and hope it goes well with the case manager, keep us updated xx
  • DuffersMumDuffersMum Posts: 54Member Courageous
    Anthony, my hisband’s first PIP claim was refused, MR refused but he won at appeal..fast forward to his second, application in, really nice assessor, DWP rang him to ask a couple of questions and was awarded higher rate mobility and lower rate care which was the correct award, so that was a nice simple case, but the poor assessments seem to far outweigh the good ones..my assessor has obviously copied and pasted certain sections on my assessment because it’s not even relevant and according to her my right and left legs have the exact same range of movement whereas in reality my left leg is far worse, she declined my medical records when I gave them to her and has mentioned my I’ve been told my hips may well improve....poppycock, I told her, and put it my application it’s my knees which have been replaced and one is ok but the other is still not right but my consultant told me it “may” improve over the coming months but just as likely it won’t..my hips are full of arthritis and not been replaced yet so no way they are going to improve until I have them replaced...
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Posts: 15,069Community champion Disability Gamechanger
    @anthonyj1 "I'm yet to hear a positive with this pip!!!"

    Lots of people successfully claim PIP and continue to claim it after a review but we rarely hear the good stories because if someone's had a decision they are happy with we don't hear their story because they have no questions to ask.

    I claim PIP standard living and enhance mobility and have claimed it since 2013. Was successfully awarded at review with an increase to my mobility from standard to enhanced. All my conditions are physical.

    My daughter also claims PIP enhanced for both parts, successfully awarded again at review and her award stayed the same. She claims for ASD, learning disability and social anxiety disorder.

    I just wanted to prove that people are successfully awarded, even after a review. Good luck with yours.
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Thanks poppy and I will update whether mine is successful or not. I think people need to hear about positive claims as well as problematic claims. Glad yours have been successful
  • cristobalcristobal Posts: 798Member Pioneering
    @anthonyj1 - I think people generally tend to post negative stories - mainly because they are looking for advice but also to have a good whinge - I was the same.

    It's just human nature but it is important to remember, as Poppy says, that most people don't have a problem...


  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Posts: 5,842Administrator Scope community team
    I wish you the best of luck with your claim @anthonyj1. Unfortunately we won't hear the positives as often, but they do happen! :)
    Chloe
    Online Community Officer
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    I will kerp u updated xx tanks everyone for support and info, much apprrciated to all of you
  • anthonyj1anthonyj1 Posts: 79Member Connected
    Sorry 4 spelling mistakes, broke my reading glasses so hope u can decipher my spelling mistakes xx
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