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CBT

FranstrahanFranstrahan Member Posts: 898 Pioneering
Is it useful for depression and anxiety, and can it help with ASD? I'm going to email the people who were counselling me as they must offer it, just want some idea if it will help first.

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  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Administrator Posts: 7,598 Scope community team
    Hi @Franstrahan, CBT can be beneficial for a range of things and is commonly used as part of the treatment for anxiety and depression. :)
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  • FranstrahanFranstrahan Member Posts: 898 Pioneering
    @chloe_scope
    Thanks Chloe. I wonder why Steps2Change haven't offered it? Been with them over 6 months now. Will email them. Thanks
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Administrator Posts: 7,598 Scope community team
    I hope they get back to you quickly @Franstrahan. :)
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  • FranstrahanFranstrahan Member Posts: 898 Pioneering
    This is weird but I've been in touch with my counsellors and found out they have discharged me. This was at the point they referred me to Social Prescribing. I have re-referred myself to the counsellors online coz I've really had very little counselling, also was hoping they could offer CBT. Now on a waiting list of over 6 weeks. I didnt want to be discharged. Looking at Social Prescribing I cant see how it can help. They get you out and about doing things in the community. That's just what I dont want to do and would like to talk it through with someone in counselling. Unfortunately  the people I was with seem to be the only providers of counselling and CBT in the county. Just all seems really weird at the moment. Counsellors have put a letter in the post to me with their reasons, so that should be interesting!
  • 66Mustang66Mustang Member Posts: 440 Pioneering
    edited November 2019
    I had CBT for contamination OCD and for social anxiety. It helped a bit.
    I’m not suggesting you won’t, just making sure you are aware: you have to be willing to co-operate with the psychologist - in my experience this involved doing “homework” tasks between sessions which pushed me far out of my comfort zone. I could have easily decided not to do the tasks (and on occasion did exactly this) but you have to really push yourself. It is hard work.
    Think of it like having an operation to cure a physical problem - there is going to be some pain involved along the way in order to get the end result.
  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 409 Pioneering
    I have not had CBT myself but have had and found useful counselling, I do have a story from a longtime friend who did have CBT.
    One of their suggestions was that they wore an elastic band round their wrist and once a day pull the band, all was well for a while until the elastic band snapped and so goes her story she then started worrying about the elastic band.
    Like everything in life some things work for some of us and not for others.
  • FranstrahanFranstrahan Member Posts: 898 Pioneering
    66Mustang said:
    I had CBT for contamination OCD and for social anxiety. It helped a bit.
    I’m not suggesting you won’t, just making sure you are aware: you have to be willing to co-operate with the psychologist - in my experience this involved doing “homework” tasks between sessions which pushed me far out of my comfort zone. I could have easily decided not to do the tasks (and on occasion did exactly this) but you have to really push yourself. It is hard work.
    Think of it like having an operation to cure a physical problem - there is going to be some pain involved along the way in order to get the end result.
    I've read online that you have to work at it, and I thought well, I'll give it a try if it might help get me out of this. So I've re-referred myself but back of the queue again now on a waiting list.
    Would honestly prefer counselling.
    When I started counselling - this is weird too - it was half hour sessions on the phone weekly, and the counsellor broke things down into 3 categories. So, Stuff You Have To Do. Routine things, Difficult things and Pleasant things. And you had to do one thing or more off each list a day. Then she had lists of routine questions that were the same every week. We did that for a few weeks, and it didnt work for me, so went on to Skype counselling. After 2 sessions they said I wasnt ready for counselling (bit I dont understand), discharged me after referring me to Social Prescribing. So I'm at a bit of a loss at the moment with nothing happening at all and on 2 waiting lists, plus still waiting to hear from 2 other organisations I've contacted.
  • FranstrahanFranstrahan Member Posts: 898 Pioneering
    woodbine said:
    I have not had CBT myself but have had and found useful counselling, I do have a story from a longtime friend who did have CBT.
    One of their suggestions was that they wore an elastic band round their wrist and once a day pull the band, all was well for a while until the elastic band snapped and so goes her story she then started worrying about the elastic band.
    Like everything in life some things work for some of us and not for others.
    Yes I'm not sure about CBT, but willing to give it a try, but would prefer counselling. Still trying to figure out why they discharged me from it.
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Administrator Posts: 7,598 Scope community team
    Hi @Franstrahan, this must be so frustrating! It's amazing that you are determined to seek out support. I really hope things can work out for you soon. :)
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  • FranstrahanFranstrahan Member Posts: 898 Pioneering
    @Chloe_Scope
    The bit I really dont get is why they discharged me from counselling in the first place. I'm still waiting for their letter, should get it any time soon, so will post an update here. I'm anxious to see what they have to say!
  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 409 Pioneering
    Where we live there are around four different con selling services available through the NHS including one based at the GP surgery where you can self refer.
  • FranstrahanFranstrahan Member Posts: 898 Pioneering
    @woodbine
    Here there is only one and it provides counselling and CBT. I have self referred online, but over 6 week waiting list. 
  • FranstrahanFranstrahan Member Posts: 898 Pioneering
    @Chloe_Scope
    I have the letter from my counsellor to take with me to the WCA. She says in it this is not the right time to go ahead with counselling as it would be compounding my mental health to do so. She says I have more pressing social and psychological needs that Social Prescribing will be able to assess.
    Fair enough.
    In the same post is a letter from them with an appointment for a reassessment on Dec 11. Maybe for CBT?
    One thing I remember the counsellor saying in our last session is she thought I ought to apply for PIP. I looked online and feel pretty sure I'd be wasting everybody's time coz dont think I qualify. Any thoughts?
  • 66Mustang66Mustang Member Posts: 440 Pioneering
    Have a look at the descriptors in the link below and see if you think you would score points for any of them:

    https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/Global/Migrated_Documents/adviceguide/pip-9-table-of-activities-descriptors-and-points.pdf
  • FranstrahanFranstrahan Member Posts: 898 Pioneering
    One maybe.
    Think the counsellor got it wrong. Shes probably not aware of these descriptors.
    Isn't PIP what used to be called DLA? 
    Disabled Living Allowance expresses it better, I think anyway. Personal Independence Payments sounds like a totally different thing.
  • 66Mustang66Mustang Member Posts: 440 Pioneering
    edited November 2019
    Yes PIP replaced DLA - it’s a different system though with some people not qualifying for PIP when they qualified for DLA and vice versa. 
    To get at least some PIP you need to score 8 points for either the daily living activities or the mobility activities. 
  • FranstrahanFranstrahan Member Posts: 898 Pioneering
    That's bad. You would have thought they would have just switched from DLA to PIP. It's the system that changed, not them.
  • 66Mustang66Mustang Member Posts: 440 Pioneering
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Administrator Posts: 7,598 Scope community team
    Hi @Franstrahan, sorry for the delay in getting back to you. It sounds like your counsellor is wanting to get the best possible support for you which is great. Have you had chance to look at the PIP descriptors? If you have any further questions then please do let me know. :)
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  • FranstrahanFranstrahan Member Posts: 898 Pioneering
    @Chloe_Scope
    Yes I've seen the descriptors, 66mustang sent me a link, but dont think I qualify, maybe just one I thought but cant remember what it was now.
    I have the WCA on Fri, maybe they will comment on something. Another question I just thought of; will they be assessing me on the depression and anxiety or the autism? Coz I've been unable to hold down a job all my life, and that's coz of autism, not d and a.
    Thank you Chloe
  • FranstrahanFranstrahan Member Posts: 898 Pioneering
    @Chloe_Scope
    Another thing with the WCA. I will be going alone. Is that necessarily a bad thing? Very anxious about the whole thing.
    Is the dwp suppose to help you get into work or just get you off benefits?
    Thanks Chloe
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Administrator Posts: 7,598 Scope community team
    Hi @Franstrahan, they will probably look at all conditions and then determine your ability to work. It shouldn't be affected by the fact that you go by yourself. I really hope it goes okay. :)
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  • FranstrahanFranstrahan Member Posts: 898 Pioneering
    @Chloe_Scope
    Thanks Chloe. I really want a part time job but dont think I'm ready yet as counselling has been erratic etc. Dont want to get a job and lose it quickly, like the last 3. Certainly dont want to be attending Job Clubs or whatever they call them now as cant deal with social situations. All I can do at the WCA is tell them how it is. I'll post here how it went later on Friday.
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Administrator Posts: 7,598 Scope community team
    That makes perfect sense @Franstrahan. I hope Friday goes okay. :)
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  • brujah81brujah81 Member Posts: 56 Courageous
    I had my first CBT session last week and have my next one on the 6th of January.. we basically went over what effects my anxiety and my disabilities etc and i am really hopeful its going to help.
    She gave me some websites that she said could help me..


    I hope that these are useful for you guys
    Kelly x

  • FranstrahanFranstrahan Member Posts: 898 Pioneering
    @brujah81
    I will have a look at those websites. My counsellors have unfortunately discharged me although I have depression and high anxiety. They've told me to look for an autism support group, which i am doing, but I'm not very happy about being discharged. They said I was unsuitable for counselling so was hoping they could offer me CBT.
  • brujah81brujah81 Member Posts: 56 Courageous
    @Franstrahan thats not good that they have discharged you when everything hasnt been resolved... i went through my doctors and then through something called "Time to Talk" and now "CBT". We will see if it helps.. nothing has helped with my anxiety so far and it has so far been rather controlling my life.
  • FranstrahanFranstrahan Member Posts: 898 Pioneering
    @brujah81
    I am pretty angry over it as last time I spoke to the counsellor she said my anxiety was high and I still have depression. Then she said I'm discharging you to Social Prescribing because you're not ready to be able to take counselling yet.
    About to check out your links.
  • brujah81brujah81 Member Posts: 56 Courageous
    @Franstrahan ah how odd.. tell me if you find the links of any use.. apparently although one of the links is Australia it is still very useful.

    Love Kelly x
  • FranstrahanFranstrahan Member Posts: 898 Pioneering
    @brujah81
    Yes they're interesting, especially the first one, so will set aside a couple of hours and go thru that site. And the meditation one, might sign up for that. I know I need some help, just seems hard to get it!! 
    Did you see the horse thread I posted? The horses help people with ASD but may be worth contacting your local group as sure they would probably help with anxiety too. I've contacted my local one, will probably hear in the new year now.
  • brujah81brujah81 Member Posts: 56 Courageous
    @Franstrahan the first one does look very interesting.. what is ASD? I will look at my local group and find out and hopefully find out soon..

    Kelly x
  • FranstrahanFranstrahan Member Posts: 898 Pioneering
    @brujah81
    ASD is Autism Spectrum Disorder which I have. Diagnosed this year at 58, they didnt pick it up in the days I was a kid so theres 1000s of us walking around still undiagnosed.
    I think the counsellors I had think my depression and anxiety stem from the autism, as they've told me to look for a local support group.
    Try the horses though, locally. They may help, sure they will have a calming effect.
  • JenCoJenCo Member Posts: 102 Pioneering
    Hi @Franstrahan
    I've had CBT for post-traumatic stress and to help me with my bulimia. Honestly, it's helped me really turn my life around. It worked wonders for me but I have a couple of friends who weren't as impressed. Whatever form of therapy you take on remember to take your time, be patient with yourself and follow your counsellor's guidance. Healing takes time. Whatever counselling you're offered I hope it brings you peace, closure and maybe even joy :)
  • FranstrahanFranstrahan Member Posts: 898 Pioneering
    @JenCo
    Thank you. Somebody told me you have to work at it with CBT, I guess to change your behaviour or way of thinking. I'm guessing with the counsellor discharging me she thinks the underlying problem is the autism. I have found a local support group and emailed them, also the horses, but guessing it'll be the other side of Christmas before I hear from either of them.
    Strangely enough ASD isn't classed as a mental health problem. It's a learning disability. (I disagree with that). Its like Aspergers is now called High Functioning Autism. I suspect theres still a lot they dont understand.
    Thank you for your good wishes.
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