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The DWP seem to think a degenerative disease means improving!?

puddlesmudgepuddlesmudge Member Posts: 7 Listener
Ive just had my pip reduced for the 2nd time despite recently having to have a total hip replacement due to 30+ years of arthritis! What planet are they on? And is there someone who can really help with this as I'm now not only still disabled but can't afford to live! 

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  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 997 Pioneering
    Hi @puddlesmudge and welcome to scope, they are probably under the impression that a hip replacement has improved things for you and I assume this isn't the case?
    Next step is a mandatory reconsideration (MR), during this process you can point out where you didn't score points and think you should have, if the MR fails then you will have to appeal. Can you get help from welfare rights or CAB?
    good luck
  • puddlesmudgepuddlesmudge Member Posts: 7 Listener
    thanks Woodbine. I was actually waiting for foot surgery due to arthritis when my hip became worse than my foot. Although the hip is now much better, I still have the foot pain and abnormalities and cant wear proper shoes. I also have arthritis in my other hip. All explained during the telephone assessment! ? But apparently according to report I have zero lower limb problems? Really I cant wait to wake up tomorrow now Ive been deemed normal! No pain no having to be careful how I put my foot down with every step its gong to be absolutely marvellous!!!
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 4,469 Disability Gamechanger
    Start with https://advicelocal.uk/find-an-adviser.

    However, be aware that a hip replacement in itself is neither here nor ther for PIP. Any immediate incapacity in consequence of the surgery would need to have been there for 3 months to trigger an increase in points and would need to be likely to be there for 9 months going forward. That’s unlikely as most people recover well within that time frame so the surgery itself is not the issue.

    It’s also unlikely that the point at which your arthritis gets so bad it scores extra points would be at the exact point you have surgery so it’s not necessarily the best time to suggest you’ve had a change of circumstances. 

    I very much doubt DWP are saying you don’t have a degenerative condition. Their focus will be solely on whether you score any more points.
  • puddlesmudgepuddlesmudge Member Posts: 7 Listener
    I was in agony with hip for about 9 months before surgery & of course the recovery time so 14 months in total - got nowhere with them. I was actually waiting for foot surgery due to arthritis when my hip became worse than my foot. Although the hip is now much better, I still have the foot pain and abnormalities and cant wear proper shoes so when its safe to have surgery I still need foot doing 

  • puddlesmudgepuddlesmudge Member Posts: 7 Listener
    But according to them, Ive no lower limb probs? 
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 4,469 Disability Gamechanger
    So the questions would be...

    - when did you claim PIP?
    - age you getting any PIP?
  • puddlesmudgepuddlesmudge Member Posts: 7 Listener
    I was on DLA as of 35 years ago then put on to pip when it took over. I was on the highest level originally (ie when i was alot younger and the disease had only just started diforming my joints). Then they took me off the care part and recently when I needed more help as Id been chucked out of hospital to fend alone after just 2 days in hospital and major surgery - then by the time they actually got round to replying (months later) they have taken the mobility off but it wasnt due to hip problem i had mobility in the first place it was due to foot deformities - ive got disclotated foot joints very painful and swollen - BUT Im fine according to them!>??
  • puddlesmudgepuddlesmudge Member Posts: 7 Listener
    down now to lowest level  Im 64 still trying to work  ( due to being a Waspi woman). Self employed cos no one would employ me and I couldnt meet an employers demands anyway


  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 4,469 Disability Gamechanger
    Hmm. I can see lots of basic misunderstandings here.

    With all respect DLA was introduced in 1992. That’s 28 years ago. Are you saying you were on AA and/or Mobility Allowance before that?

    None of these benefits, from the 1970s onwards, are based on your health condition. They focus on the consequences. You cannot assume that entitlement to AA/MA gets you DLA nor that DLA gets you PIP. They all have different ways of looking at the functional consequences of your health. 

    Pain is also, in itself, not an indicator of likely award levels as we all experience pain differently. 

    I refer you back to my earlier list and suggest you get some advice. 


  • puddlesmudgepuddlesmudge Member Posts: 7 Listener
    Im thinking of using my savings to pay for fightback phone call but its £80? would you recommend?
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 4,469 Disability Gamechanger
    Im thinking of using my savings to pay for fightback phone call but its £80? would you recommend?
    Absolutely not my role to recommend or otherwise any advice service. Thus why I posted the link. 

    There has long been a discussion about paid advice. You can no more assume that paid for is better than free is worse. 
  • woodbinewoodbine Member Posts: 997 Pioneering
    I would refer you to my first answer and that is to concentrate on the MR. @mikehughescq has also given you great advice.
    Good luck
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 4,469 Disability Gamechanger
    Good point @woodbine. I’d forgotten this is an MR.

    Given that the success rate of MRs is 16% it’s effectively random. Many advice agencies don’t get involved in MRs as there’s little of real value you can add beyond the sort of basic info freely available on the net anyway. 
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