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Telephone tribunal

simpled89simpled89 Member Posts: 8 Connected
Hello all, I read here quite often and take a lot of advice on board. You're all a lovely bunch. 

However I felt its the time for me to ask my own questions given that I have my telephone tribunal on Tuesday. I am so worried about it but if I put things into perspective it's nothing like how I would be feeling if I had to attend in person. So that's a silver lining. I've been refused pip twice before this but never taken it to the tribunal stage before. This is a last chance try for me, I will admit defeat if nothing comes of this. 

Sorry for the long waffle... My questions are...

I often feel like I'm wasting peoples time and rush my answers to things like this. However doing this hasn't seemed to work for me in the past... Will they be willing to listen to me explaining things fully or do I need to be quick and just skim over the basics like a summary? I find it so difficult to know what is relevant.

Also, when will I find out the outcome? I heard they won't tell me during that phonecall but that I may be able to ring the court afterwards to find out the decision?

Thanks in advance. 

Replies

  • Lulu_1949Lulu_1949 Member Posts: 181 Pioneering
    @simpled89 welcome, please don’t worry , my sons hearing was by phone a few weeks ago. If I were you I would say that you don’t want to rush your answers and that you get stressed if you try and rush but that you are apologising in advance for taking it slowly but it’s the best way you can cope. It will last probably an hour. The clerk will ring you first and put you at ease, tell him about worrying about rushing and that you want to take your time with your answers. He will tell you who will be on the phone, usually the judge , a doctor and someone that knows about disabilities . 
    With my son the said he would get an answer within a few days but the letter came the next morning. 
    I wish you well, stay calm, this is your chance x
  • serenity2serenity2 Member Posts: 189 Pioneering
    Hi @simpled89

    i wanted to say hello and send good wishes to you.
    @Lulu_1949  has given some great guidance there , nothing to add except 
    just to say..it helps me to write things down...That I know I want to say..the bits that are important..I do this when I go to the drs or anywhere as I’m forgetful 🙄 it does help me...

    best wishes 🌻🌻
     :)
    Best Wishes
    serenity2 
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 4,718 Disability Gamechanger
    1 - this is not your last chance. Any appeal can be appealed further to upper tribunal on a point of law.

    2 - is there some reason on your third claim you’ve not sought representation? 

    3 - the focus of the tribunal will be overwhelmingly on what you have to say, but, it’s not about you explaining things fully in the way you want to. It’s about them asking relevant questions in order to deduce the facts from the evidence and then apply the law to the facts. You need to listen very carefully to their questions and only answer what you’ve been asked. 

    4 - you may get a decision on the day but most likely it will be posted out. If you ring HMCTS afterwards they will not tell you the decision. They will simply tell you that a decision has been made and is in the post. It’s usually a couple of days wait subject to the post in your area.
  • janer1967janer1967 Community champion Posts: 2,161 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi and thanks for asking for some advice, I hope you find the answers given to be helpful. I wont giver anymore as dont want to overwhelm you.

    Just want to wish you luck for the tribunal and keep us updated on the outcome
  • simpled89simpled89 Member Posts: 8 Connected
    Thank you all for your input, I will take it all on board. So incredibly nervous but what will be will be. Time is dragging and will be glad when it's over as I'm sure you can all imagine. Thanks once again it was all valuable advice. Will update you afterwards :) 
  • katho31katho31 Member Posts: 699 Pioneering
  • simpled89simpled89 Member Posts: 8 Connected
    Hi just an update I had my tribunal today, all males on the panel and they were all friendly and professional. Have no idea how it went, it's so difficult to say. I thought it had gone well with my assessment but scored zero on both so I've genuinly no idea. I remembered to only answer what I was asked and made sure not to waffle. The judge said he will write his decision up and send it over to the people who send out the letters but due to covid and staff shortages he doubts that will be posted out today or even tomorrow so just a case of waiting. Thank you all once again. 
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 4,718 Disability Gamechanger
    To be clear, the judge won’t be making the decision or writing it up. The panel make the decision and the judge then dictates it over the phone to the clerk. They’ll bat it back and forth until the judge is satisfied it’s correct and only then does it get printed etc.
  • simpled89simpled89 Member Posts: 8 Connected
    Well I said it wrong then, apologies 
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Administrator Posts: 9,457 Scope community team
    Fingers crossed for you @simpled89
    Community Partner
    Scope
  • simpled89simpled89 Member Posts: 8 Connected
    Hi I said I would update you all... 

    Still no letter of decision so I have rang them and they said they will put a refer all in the chase it up. Anybody have any ideas why there would be no word after a week? I realise you would never know for sure but I'm just curious about why this might be as I've not heard of this happening before. 
  • janer1967janer1967 Community champion Posts: 2,161 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @simpled89 Try not to panic a week isnt that long to wait as Mike explained it may go back and forth between the judge and clerk to make sure the letter is correct before posting out, there are also lots of postal delays too.

    I sent a parcel recently first class and it took nearly 2 weeks to get there 
  • simpled89simpled89 Member Posts: 8 Connected
    Thank you, that's put my mind at ease. I appreciate your response
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 4,718 Disability Gamechanger
    simpled89 said:
    Hi I said I would update you all... 

    Still no letter of decision so I have rang them and they said they will put a refer all in the chase it up. Anybody have any ideas why there would be no word after a week? I realise you would never know for sure but I'm just curious about why this might be as I've not heard of this happening before. 
    As per my original post. A week is nothing and the line the call centre have spun you is a gem. Rest easy and it will arrive in due course.
  • laumacclaumacc Member Posts: 34 Courageous
    Hi, I had mine last Wednesday and I’m also waiting for my letter. It’s a horrible feeling isn’t it. I hope it arrives soo for us 
  • simpled89simpled89 Member Posts: 8 Connected
    laumacc said:
    Hi, I had mine last Wednesday and I’m also waiting for my letter. It’s a horrible feeling isn’t it. I hope it arrives soo for us 
    Hi hope you've heard your outcome @laumacc

    Got the text and email today to say a decision has been made and it's in the post 🤞

  • laumacclaumacc Member Posts: 34 Courageous
    ooh brilliant! Good luck 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
    I’ve had my letter, I got enhanced for both! Not heard from dwp yet though. It’ll have been a week tomorrow. And it’s been going on for 17 months. Sincerely wishing you good luck x
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 709 Pioneering
    Hi @simpled89, hope you get a good outcome good luck😊
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 709 Pioneering
    Hi @laumacc. Great news on your appeal outcome, so pleased for you, now you can relax, and enjoy your backpay when it arrives 😊
  • katho31katho31 Member Posts: 699 Pioneering
    Made up for you  :) well deserved and you can chill a little now x
  • laumacclaumacc Member Posts: 34 Courageous
    Hi, and Thankyou very much. Such a horrid experience but it’s got to be done! Wishing everyone who gets this far the best of luck getting what is rightfully yours :)
  • simpled89simpled89 Member Posts: 8 Connected
    That's fantastic, great news 😊

    I got my letter today, standard daily with 11 points and enhanced mobility with 22 points. Over the moon, thank you all
  • laumacclaumacc Member Posts: 34 Courageous
    Good for you! :) enjoy it 
  • Lou67Lou67 Member Posts: 709 Pioneering
    @simpled89. Aww so happy for you great news, you can relax now 😊
  • Adrian_ScopeAdrian_Scope Administrator Posts: 7,397 Scope community team
    Great news @simpled89. :)
    Senior Community Partner
    Scope
  • laumacclaumacc Member Posts: 34 Courageous
    simpled89 said:
    That's fantastic, great news 😊

    I got my letter today, standard daily with 11 points and enhanced mobility with 22 points. Over the moon, thank you all
    Hi again, just wondering if you’ve had a call from dwp? I’ve had a voicemail to call them back so I’m curious as to why. Probably to check bank details etc. But I don’t know
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