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New Application For PIP - Advice or Experience Needed

depressedmum09depressedmum09 Member Posts: 15 Connected
Hi, Im new here and Im hoping someone could put my anxiety at rest. Im a 31 year old female whos life feels like its over.
I initially applied for pip on 10th March 2020 and had my telephone assessment with IAS yesterday.
I am applying for PIP because my bipolar, depression and anxiety has become unmanageable and its ruining my life. 
I have attempted suicide twice in 6 months, i cant leave the house without having a severe panic attack, my manic episodes are now at once a month. I dont eat or wash and basically unless my friends literally force me in the shower or to eat something it doesnt happen. 
I am so worried about the outcome of the assessment. As soon as my phone rang, i almost didnt answer because i could feel my heart racing and nausea coming. However, i did and i could hardly breathe. I couldnt stop crying and it was all just a blur. It only lasted 38 minutes. The lady on the phone was so lovely, she kept telling me to try and breathe and she would get through it as quick as possible because she knew it was causing me destress. She didnt ask me any questions other than what I put on the original form apart from have you ever worked. I told her ive worked my whole life until my mum died 2017, thats when all my problems started. She asked what i did for a living and i explained i was an engineer. She seemed surprised by it. I dont see why that was relevant? But reading other stories it seems if you had a good job somehow you a capable of working etc (if that makes sense)
Anyway, i barely got through the assessment, the crying and not being able to breathe was a horrible experience but now im just worried because it was only 38 minutes.
I received the text from DWP this morning to say they have my report. I cant even bring myself to call them and ask for the report. Nothing in my life goes well, everything always seems to go against me so I dont think I could take another blow of being let down. 
Has anyone had any experiences like mine? A short assessment and the report being sent in less than 24 hours? 
Im sorry for rambling on but after reading other posts, everyone seems so helpful so i thought ide see if I can put my anxiety at rest. Thanks xx

Replies

  • chiariedschiarieds Community champion Posts: 2,848 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @depressedmum09 - I just wanted to welcome you to the community. I'm sorry to read about your mental health issues, & wondered if you have any support for this?
    As far as your PIP assessment went, it's very difficult to know what the outcome may be, I wish I knew! It seems however that you had a sympathetic assessor, who appreciated your obvious distress, & said she was trying to go through the questions quickly.. As you're not currently working, I wouldn't read much into a question about previous employment. :)
    If you don't mind I'd like to ask a member of the Scope team for their advice. @Adrian_Scope or @Chloe_Scope please will you advise here, thank you.
  • mk2000mk2000 Member Posts: 16 Listener
    I had a bad experience i suffer mental health I had a rude very nasty man who was not sympathetic and he wrote lies on my report youbshould ask for the report back
  • steve51steve51 Community champion Posts: 6,941 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @depressedmum09

    Good Afternoon it’s great to meet you today😃

    I am one of a team of Community Champion’s here at Scope.

    We have got a “Member” who is very very good when it comes to “Benefits”
    I will forward your post onto her straightaway for you.

    Hi @poppy123456
    Can you please help me with this “Benefit Post”

    We have got more “Senior Members”  who I will be able to help/support you with your ongoing problems/needs. 

    Hi @Richard_Scope @Adrian_Scope @Chloe_Scope
    Can you please offer me some help with this post????

    I have found you some great info/support on “Bipolar”

    http://www.bipolaruk.org.uk/

    Please please contact Samaritans 116 123 ASAP if things become difficult again.

    Here’s “Scopes” contact details: 
    0808 800 3333 if you need some more help.

    Please please come back to me if you need any further help/support????

    @steve51


  • depressedmum09depressedmum09 Member Posts: 15 Connected
    Hi @chiarieds, I have support, I am on lithium and mirtazapine medication to treat my bipolar, I have diazepam for my anxiety attacks. I was receiving psychotherapy therapy prior to the lockdown but none since as they was not able to do my sessions over the phone. I am mainly under the care of my GP, however, I do have access to my psychiatrist should I need him for emergencies. (I.e. if my bipolar kicks off my friends can call and he usually sorts something out).
    I feel for the first time since my diagnosis, that I am losing control of everything. My condition is worsening and I am terrified. I dont whether its because my psycotherapy has been temporarily stopped due to covid or whether my medications need changing. Having PIP would help me tenfold, I would really love to be able to afford to have just one private psychiatric appointment, explain everything and see from a different (paid) insight whether I am receiving the best treatment both medication and therapy that would help me. (I feel with the NHS you dont get such dedication because they are so strained)
    I need to get back to at least a new normal state so I can be the mum my children deserve to have. Its heartbreaking because I know they miss out on so much because of my illness. 
  • depressedmum09depressedmum09 Member Posts: 15 Connected
    Hi @mk2000 sorry you had a bad experience, like I said the lady I spoke to was lovely, she couldnt have been more understanding and didnt cause me any undue stress on top of what I was already feeling because of the phone call in general overwhelmed me massively. I have developed the bury your head in the sand approach in recent years, to stop the feelings of being let down or disappointed, thats the reason I dont want to ask for a report incase its not what I want to hear. I know that sounds daft to some but I cant help it.
  • mk2000mk2000 Member Posts: 16 Listener
    Ye some asessors pretend to be nice he was saying he was sorry but he has lied all over my report you need to ask for it back but hopefully you got a nice one luckily X
  • depressedmum09depressedmum09 Member Posts: 15 Connected
    @steve51 Thanks so much for your help x
  • steve51steve51 Community champion Posts: 6,941 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @depressedmum09

    No probs it’s my Pleasure 😃😃

    Please let me know if there’s any help/support that I can offer you if you still feel like you are “Losing Control”

    @steve51
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 194 Pioneering
    @depressedmum09 hi there and welcome . I suffer with anxiety , ocd and ptsd psychosis . Im
    on quatiapine and sertraline. I’m also under a mental health team all tho our illnesses are different I can still relate and understand all what you have said . 

    I had my phone assessment on Monday . And she didn’t asked what I worked as . But she asked if I worked and when was the last time ect and why did I stop ect . Mines went on for nearly 2 hours it was really horrible I kept passing the phone to my partner lol as I couldn’t speak to her I was to anxious she was asking questions that took my mind back in a place I didn’t want to be . My illlness came after I was in a very abusive relationship where he almost killed me . She asked bout when I spent time in a women’s refuge and how long I had support from women’s aid this was like Yeats ago so I duno why she needed to know that but that was hard to have to answer that was so hard . 

    Oh wow that is quick when did you have your phone assessment sorry ? I’m not sure who mines was with . 

    Does that mean you can request the report for them to post to you or will they tell you over the phone . I actually said to my partner can you open the letter as I don’t think I can do it as I understand where your comming from do you have a partner or a friend who could call up on your behalf or be there to support you xx
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 194 Pioneering
    @depressedmum09 hi also I wanted to add that with private psychiatrist there very expensive I think my fiend said she paid 400 a hour and there the medication is expensive it’s really expensive . 

    I feel
    that the mental health crisis teams work really fast but the community mental health team work slower I have access to a nurse she calls me weekly she be able to come out and visit soon . But like you said covid has delayed every thing Which is a pain . 

    My friend has biopolar and is on lithium she has really bad side affects from it she gets pip so there are some positives stories as well as the negative but I totally see where your comming from because I really Won’t be able to even look at the decision . 
  • depressedmum09depressedmum09 Member Posts: 15 Connected
    @cupcake88 I had my assessment on Monday afternoon and received the text from DWP this morning at 9am to say they have received it. I am currently under the community team myself, I was under the crisis team on 2 occassions this year but they discharged me back to the community once my "moods" settled. Lithium is horrendous but without it im 10x worse. Its a bitter sweet situation. I know private appointments are expensive, however, there is a place the NHS use, it used to be called bupa, you can get a private appointment for 1 hour, for £230. (I know thats alot of money) but its the different insight i want, I want to be able to explain everything, the medication, mood frequences etc and see if they believe what I am receiving is correct or there could be another alternative. At the moment I dont believe its working and I feel no one is listening to me and when my moods spiral instead of looking at the treatment I am receiving they place me in hospital. Its a never ending vicous cycle. I just want someone to listen to me and I feel a private appointment would do just that. 
    Im dreading the decision, I have a gut feeling Im not going to get anything, all I done was cry on the phone! 
    I cant believe your assessment lasted so long, mine literally was 38 minutes so I cant help but think that was bad news.
    Have you heard anything from DWP yourself regarding getting your report back?
    I might ask my friend to call them up on my behalf and see if she can find out any information and request the report to be sent out. Do you know whether the person on the phone can tell you anything on the report? xx
  • mk2000mk2000 Member Posts: 16 Listener
    @cupcake88 I had my assessment on Monday afternoon and received the text from DWP this morning at 9am to say they have received it. I am currently under the community team myself, I was under the crisis team on 2 occassions this year but they discharged me back to the community once my "moods" settled. Lithium is horrendous but without it im 10x worse. Its a bitter sweet situation. I know private appointments are expensive, however, there is a place the NHS use, it used to be called bupa, you can get a private appointment for 1 hour, for £230. (I know thats alot of money) but its the different insight i want, I want to be able to explain everything, the medication, mood frequences etc and see if they believe what I am receiving is correct or there could be another alternative. At the moment I dont believe its working and I feel no one is listening to me and when my moods spiral instead of looking at the treatment I am receiving they place me in hospital. Its a never ending vicous cycle. I just want someone to listen to me and I feel a private appointment would do just that. 
    Im dreading the decision, I have a gut feeling Im not going to get anything, all I done was cry on the phone! 
    I cant believe your assessment lasted so long, mine literally was 38 minutes so I cant help but think that was bad news.
    Have you heard anything from DWP yourself regarding getting your report back?
    I might ask my friend to call them up on my behalf and see if she can find out any information and request the report to be sent out. Do you know whether the person on the phone can tell you anything on the report? xx
    You can ring up yourself and ask for the report it will be sent out its what I did my interview lasted 62 minuets he questioned me over and over and my report has come back lies
  • mk2000mk2000 Member Posts: 16 Listener
    Also he rang me very late about 40 minutes later and the line was really bad and ge kept muting me 
  • depressedmum09depressedmum09 Member Posts: 15 Connected
    @steve51 Hi steve, its not that I feel like I am losing control, its more so the medication and therapy sessions combined are not working any more so I am losing the grip on remaining stable. I havent felt stable in months, I dont know how i am going to be the following day because my moods are so eratic. 
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 194 Pioneering
    @depressedmum09 mines lasted so long because I kept giving the phone to my partner and he had to keep getting me to respond to her because I didn’t want to speak on phone being asked so much stuff made me so anxious . 

    How often does your nurse call you ? I know my friends only calls her once a month they work slower than crisis team . Mines is weekly . And there’s not much she can do to help me at the mo because I’m not ready for trauma therapy yet . 

    I mean she was very nice and she told me to take my time I cried a lot also because I find it hard excepting how iam now I’m in my early 30s and I’m like a scared child constantly it’s horrible . 

    Mines was on Monday after noon and yeh was nearly two hours hour and 48 mins to be exact ,  
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 194 Pioneering
    Private is very expensive hun but if you think that will help then it’s worth a go 
  • steve51steve51 Community champion Posts: 6,941 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @depressedmum09

    That’s great that you know that you have got things “under control.

    Can you see your “GP” if you feel that your meds/therapy session’s aren’t under control anymore???

    Please please let us know if you are going to have problems with your “moods”

    @steve51
  • steve51steve51 Community champion Posts: 6,941 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @cupcake88

    Sorry but I am not sure if I have chatted with you before.

    If not then I am one of the team of Community Champion’s here at Scope.

    Please please let me let me know if there’s any help you need with your “pip”

    @steve51


  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 194 Pioneering
    @steve51. Hi Steve thank you that’s very kind of you , I think I have just decided to wait till the full report is ready before I am enquire . Because im
    just way to anxious , I would rather get a final decision , 
  • steve51steve51 Community champion Posts: 6,941 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @cupcake88

    No Probs that’s my Pleasure 😃😃😃

    Yes if you feel that is the best way.

    Please please let me know if there’s anything that I can offer you in the meantime!!!!!

    @steve51
  • Chloe_ScopeChloe_Scope Administrator Posts: 9,312 Scope community team
    Hi @depressedmum09 and a warm welcome to the community! I'm sorry to hear about you are feeling unstable at the moment. Is there much support at home for you?

    I'm glad the woman who did your assessment was lovely. We are all rooting for a positive result for you.

    Are currently feeling safe? If you are having suicidal thoughts MIND have some useful information on how you can support yourself. Also, there is some long term plans that you can put in place. Of course, if you feel in danger then please call 999 or go to your nearest A&E department.

    If you feel like the medication isn't working or has reduced its effectiveness, then please see your GP or mental health specialist. 
    Community Partner
    Scope
  • steve51steve51 Community champion Posts: 6,941 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi @mk2000

    Good Afternoon!!!!!

    Sorry but I am unsure if if we have meet before???

    I just wanted to know how things were going with your “pip”

    I can see that you have mentioned about the “Lies” in your report.

    @steve51
  • laurapeachlaurapeach Member Posts: 44 Courageous
    Hi @depressedmum09

    I understand the anxiety with getting the report back, but the way I looked at it is if the decision maker went with what the assessor said then I would have time to write a good Mandatory Reconsideration. I went through my report with a fine tooth comb to see if the assessor had made any mistakes and wrote those down, but most of my MR was me trying to explain why I thought I deserved more points for certain things. It also gave me a chance to gather any extra evidence that I thought I might need.

    By getting the report you're giving yourself a bit long to write your MR, or you'll be able to relax a bit more if they have awarded you enough points :)
    Mum of one, I have M.E/CFS and POTS.
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 194 Pioneering
    @laurapeach. That’s a really good way at looking at it and positivity way . It has made me see it in that way now . I do like to be prepared . I hope I get mines soon . 
  • depressedmum09depressedmum09 Member Posts: 15 Connected
    Hi everyone, a little update nothing concrete but my friend called up for yesterday around 4pm. She has requested a copy of the report for me and asked some questions about it whilst she was on the phone. 
    The Assessor pretty much wrote down everything I struggle with, the help I need and the daily struggles I have so thats a relief I suppose. I guess I have to hope the decision maker goes off the report so this can all be over. I have never done something thats this stressfull in my life.
    The lady on the phone also mentioned its already with a decision maker so she said from her experience I should have a decision by next week providing they dont want more evidence from me. 
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 194 Pioneering
    Do they usually want more edvidence ? Well I’m so happy you feel abit more better . Thank you so much for letting us know  I’m thinking bout you and I really hope you get it . 

    I’m starting to feel left out because I still haven’t got any text or any thing yet ha xx 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 19,101 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi,

    When you receive the report you need to use the PIP descriptors online to see what points, if any have been recommended. Points in the report are not added because it's just a recommendation, although they usually go with the report but they can go against, it's just rare they do this.

    Good luck.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • depressedmum09depressedmum09 Member Posts: 15 Connected
    I didnt hear the phone call but my friend asked the lady on the phone to read out what she has written, on everything I need help with she listed, for example (managing therapy: requires aid, supervision and prompting to take medication and or attend therapy sessions and the question of meeting other people face to face: claimant confined to house due to severe psycological stress endured when seeing other people. Can only leave the home with the aid of another person due to severe anxiety and panic attacks) 
    With that in my report does that sound like a good thing? Or can the decision maker still request more evidence? 
  • depressedmum09depressedmum09 Member Posts: 15 Connected
    @cupcake88 thats so kind cupcake, thank you. I hope you get what you need from all this. 
    I think both of our claims are pretty similar, with timescales aswell so lets hope we both just get a decision and we dont need to take it further. As soon as I hear anything I will post on here to let you know. 
    Have you had the text from DWP yet to say they have your report back? 
  • depressedmum09depressedmum09 Member Posts: 15 Connected
    @cupcake88 what outcome are you hoping for?
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 19,101 Disability Gamechanger
    In the report there will be dots placed next to the descriptor that's recommended. You need to look at those and compare them against the PIP descriptors. What you've read out here is the justification. No one can speculate anything at this stage.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 194 Pioneering
    @cupcake88 hmm I’m not really sure I haven’t really thought bout it I think I do deserve higher daily living and lower mobility . I’m trying not to think what I will be getting until it has been awarded if that makes sense . Well I haven’t had a text yet lol and every one else who had there accessments this week has had a text . Xx 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 19,101 Disability Gamechanger
    If you put a mobile number on the form then you will receive a text once the report has been returned. Sometimes the reports are delayed being returned, especially if they've been chosen for audit, which can considerably delay the decision process. If it has been sent to audit, don't worry, it's nothing to worry about. It just means the HCP is being checked that they did what they should have.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • depressedmum09depressedmum09 Member Posts: 15 Connected
    @cupcake88 @poppy123456 i have an update. I received my report through the post today (so fast... right?!)
    Everything the assessor wrote in the descriptor is correct, however, the options she selected doesnt reflect what shes wrote. She contradicts herself throughout. 
    For example:
    (Her justification for discriptor)
    Engaging with other people face to face:

    unable to leave the home without another person, severe anxiety to a point where claimant can vomit. Due to anxiety attacks claimant will remain confined to bedroom to avoid contact unless necessary like therapy appointment. Where a friend will come to the home and take her in a car as she is unable to use public transport. Claimant does not leave the house otherwise.

    Then awards me: 

    Can engage with other people unaided. 0 points

    I received 11 points in total (based on the assessment from the assessor) for daily living. Thats all. I dont feel it reflects my needs.

    Her selections (to award points) is the opposite to what she has wrote in the descriptor box. 

    Does the decision maker just go off the selections the assessor has made? Or do they read the full report and make a decision from everything? 

    If the decision is made based on the selections i will receive daily living standard and nothing else. 

    I hoped i didnt have to do a mandatory reconsideration but looks like I will have to. Its been so stressful up until this point. Im so disappointed.

  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 194 Pioneering
    @depressedmum09 that’s really quick . I’m feeling worried now because a few people have had there results back quickly and I haven’t heard nothing from them no text no nothing .

    as far as what I read on here the decision maker can award more points I think . Doesn’t hurt to be prepared . I don’t see how you got 0 points when you can’t socialise with people that makes no sense . Makes me panicked now to what the hell mines goes to say . 

    I can’t even cope with the stress . I still haven’t heard any thing I know it’s not even been a full week but because other people are hearing back on the forum I’m thinking it’s bad news .

    do you know when you will get the full letter threw ? Saying whether or not you have recieved pip ? Did you get any thing for mobility ? 

    I mean At least some thing is better than nothing at the moment but it’s worth drafting up a mr x 
  • depressedmum09depressedmum09 Member Posts: 15 Connected
    I got nothing for mobility, but considering i am literally confined to my bedroom through the fear of seeing or speaking to someone. I cant go out the house on a journey without someone with me. She stated exactly that in her description but didnt give me anything. 
    I am expecting to receive the award letter soon. I am hoping the decision maker does look at the description and not just the selected answers because they will see she contradicts herself over and over. 
    If i have any further updates il let you know soon as xx
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 19,101 Disability Gamechanger
    They usually go with the report, it's rare to go against it but it can and does happen. You will of course need to wait for the decision before requesting the MR.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 19,101 Disability Gamechanger
    cupcake88 said:
    @depressedmum09 that’s really quick . I’m feeling worried now because a few people have had there results back quickly and I haven’t heard nothing from them no text no nothing .

    as far as what I read on here the decision maker can award more points I think . Doesn’t hurt to be prepared . I don’t see how you got 0 points when you can’t socialise with people that makes no sense . Makes me panicked now to what the hell mines goes to say . 

    I can’t even cope with the stress . I still haven’t heard any thing I know it’s not even been a full week but because other people are hearing back on the forum I’m thinking it’s bad news .

    do you know when you will get the full letter threw ? Saying whether or not you have recieved pip ? Did you get any thing for mobility ? 

    I mean At least some thing is better than nothing at the moment but it’s worth drafting up a mr x 

    Please try to relax. Not receiving a text yet stating DWP have received the report doesn't mean anything bad. It could be that your report has been chosen for audit, which i'm sure i advised you this on another thread. My daughters first PIP claim assessment report was sent to audit and the decision took just over 6 weeks. They kept the report for more than 5 weeks before returning it to DWP. If it has been chosen for audit this can delay the decision making porcess considerably.

    You can ring the health assessment providers and they will tell you what's happening. If it's in audit they will tell you, what they can't tell you is how long it will take. If there's an issue with something in the report it won't be returned until it's put right.

    Nothing at all for you to worry about, it just means the HCP is being checked.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 194 Pioneering
    I’m going to give them a quick call and just ask 
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 194 Pioneering
    I just called them it’s been threw the quality check and was sent to the dwp yesterday 
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 194 Pioneering
    What’s a quality check 
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 194 Pioneering
    Independent acceptance sevice did mines 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 19,101 Disability Gamechanger
    Sounds like an audit to me.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 194 Pioneering
    What’s a audit ? Does that mean bad news 
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 194 Pioneering
    Yeh but they said that dwp received it yesterday ? But apparently it takes a couple of days before I get the text is that right . Do I need to ring up and request a copy of the report ? Or can I just wait for the decision . 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 19,101 Disability Gamechanger
    edited July 31
    An audit is nothing for you to worry about. I have no idea how long it takes them to send the text. If both reports have been received back, they will send you a copy but you'll need to ring DWP. If you don't want to request the report then of course you don't have to.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 194 Pioneering
    What both reports sorry ? From the assessor just she do 2 reports 
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 19,101 Disability Gamechanger
    The digital copy and paper copy. Both are exactly the same reports.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 194 Pioneering
    sorry for taking over the thread my anxiety has just gone threw the roof . I have decided not to call them before had I’ll wait for my decision letter I just have a feeling I Haven’t got it i feel so down . 
  • laurapeachlaurapeach Member Posts: 44 Courageous
    cupcake88 said:
    sorry for taking over the thread my anxiety has just gone threw the roof . I have decided not to call them before had I’ll wait for my decision letter I just have a feeling I Haven’t got it i feel so down . 
    I would maybe stop checking on how long other people's are taking otherwise you're going to make your anxiety worse. I get it, I have really bad anxiety too but at this point there is nothing you can do except wait it out. It's bloody difficult not to want to know about everyone else's though. 
    Mum of one, I have M.E/CFS and POTS.
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 19,101 Disability Gamechanger
    @laurapeach totally agree with here. Coming onto an internet forum when apply for a benefit, isn't the best decision anyone can make because all the bad stories just increases any anxiety.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • depressedmum09depressedmum09 Member Posts: 15 Connected
    edited July 31
    @cupcake88 you have the same assessment provider as me. I hope your report is different to mine. Im so disappointed its unreal. It took a great deal of strength to actually  go through it all and make a claim and now i feel like ive been slapped in the face xx
  • cupcake88cupcake88 Member Posts: 194 Pioneering
    @laurapeach @poppy123456 sorry for being annoying I keep repeating my self I know .  I have decided I’m just gonna wait till my letter comes I don’t want to see the report I’ll rather just deal with the decision . 

    My partner just said to me it be nice if you did get it but we have survived with out it abit more longer if we have to appeal he always makes me feel good but he’s saying he has good faith that I will get what I do deserve . Sorry for taking over the thread I haven’t been very well today . 

    @[email protected]

    i know it makes you feel like s*** don’t it when even filling out forms is a hard task all this pip stuff has just reminded me of how ill I am I’m feel very low tonight . I hope your decision is  different if not of course appeal . I some times wonder where I get my strength from to keep going , 
  • river123river123 Member Posts: 2 Listener
    Hi I had my phone call assessment yesterday morning and I've had a text message today to say dwp have received my report today. I am going to phone dwp on Monday and request a copy of my report. Could it take a good few weeks for my decision letter to come
  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 19,101 Disability Gamechanger
    river123 said:
    Hi I had my phone call assessment yesterday morning and I've had a text message today to say dwp have received my report today. I am going to phone dwp on Monday and request a copy of my report. Could it take a good few weeks for my decision letter to come

    Hi,

    There's no timescales for any decision. It can take anything from 2-8 weeks sometimes longer. The report will give you some idea because they usually go with the recommendations in there, although it has been known for them to go against it, it's just rare.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • SussexAndySussexAndy Member Posts: 12 Courageous
    Hopefully you still receive replies.  

    Don't worry too much about PIP assessments.  Most people don't get it straight away and have to go through the tribunal process.   Its a system which SUCKS.


    I used a useful website in regards to doing an online assessment (not an official one) which was linked from the Gov.uk website   https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-self-test


    Complete the test and print out the results with explanations.   Set it aside for your tribunal.   It is worth following up and you need to understand that the PIP assessment companies are EVIL.   both ATOS and IAS have been repeatedly called out about their conduct.  It is important for anyone to remember that these companies are paid around £750,000 per annum plus Bonus for denying claims. 


    because there is a money incentive denials are extremely common.   You need to fight unfortunately but to be honest with you preparation is key.   At my tribunal November 2019.  I took with me one diagnosis letter confirming my disability. The printout from the website above and completed online assessment. 


    The tribunal was only 3 people.  A district Judge, a Senior Medical Professional and a Benefits advisor.   They were amazing and we just chatted about what I could and couldn't do and how my disability affects my life in general. 


    I was awarded my Pip and furthermore they protected my pip until June 2021. where no doubt I will have to start the process again.  Although IAS has since confirmed my disability also in November 2019 entering onto Record that its a permanent disability and that I am written off from seeking employment.   So I'm not entirely sure how the next review will go in June 2021. 


    All I am saying is chin up- expect to fail on application but to win at tribunal - last time I looked it was something like 76% of previously denied cases were overturned by the tribunals 

    All the best 

    Andy x



  • poppy123456poppy123456 Community champion Posts: 19,101 Disability Gamechanger
    Hopefully you still receive replies.  

    Don't worry too much about PIP assessments.  Most people don't get it straight away and have to go through the tribunal process.   Its a system which SUCKS.




    HI,

    Sorry but i diagree with this. The majority of people claim PIP successfully first time without any problems at all. Remember that on an internet forum you'll very rarely see the good stories because if someone's had a decisions they're happy with they don't have any questions to ask so they don't tell their story.

    Since the telephone assessments have been in process there's even more people successfully awarded and that is very good news.

    I don't believe that they are paid for refusing people. The health assessment providers don't make decisions, they only make recommendations, so it's not possible to refuse a claimant.

    Regarding your PIP end date, you will be contacted by DWP about 14 weeks before your award is due to end. You will need to fill out new PIP2 forms with all your information. Unfortunately, being unable to work has nothing to do with PIP, people claim PIP and work.
    Community champion and proud winner of the 2019 empowering others award. This award was given for supporting disabled people and their families for the benefit advice i have given to members here on the community.
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 4,644 Disability Gamechanger
    I second that. The majority of people absolutely succeed first time. 54% of MRs are currently succeeding along with around 85 to 90% of appeals. 
  • SussexAndySussexAndy Member Posts: 12 Courageous
    Hello, my comment was based on my experience.   Made my application in June 2018, denied in October 2018 tribunal in November 2019.    I recall a massive amount of news coverage in August and September 2018 about the assessors and I have no reason to believe that they have improved.   

    It is encouraging however that more people are winning their tribunals which is the most important factor here.
  • SussexAndySussexAndy Member Posts: 12 Courageous
    Hello, my comment was based on my experience.   Made my application in June 2018, denied in October 2018 tribunal in November 2019.    I recall a massive amount of news coverage in August and September 2018 about the assessors and I have no reason to believe that they have improved.   

    It is encouraging however that more people are winning their tribunals which is the most important factor here.
  • depressedmum09depressedmum09 Member Posts: 15 Connected
    @SussexAndy
    Hi Andy, funny that you mention about PIP being denied first time around. 
    My friends aunt works on PIP assessments at the DWP. She spoke to her yesterday and she said if there is doubt on any claim, especially were mental health is concerned they do downgrade it as much as possible but usually accept when an appeal is made. its to stop handing out full awards when its not necessary. She said, people who are genuine and need the help will appeal, those who dont need it will just leave it. 
    I am guessing I will have to appeal my award judging by the report only but il have to wait until the official letter comes through to see. 
  • mikehughescqmikehughescq Member Posts: 4,644 Disability Gamechanger
    @SussexAndy
    Hi Andy, funny that you mention about PIP being denied first time around. 
    My friends aunt works on PIP assessments at the DWP. She spoke to her yesterday and she said if there is doubt on any claim, especially were mental health is concerned they do downgrade it as much as possible but usually accept when an appeal is made. its to stop handing out full awards when its not necessary. She said, people who are genuine and need the help will appeal, those who dont need it will just leave it. 
    I am guessing I will have to appeal my award judging by the report only but il have to wait until the official letter comes through to see. 
    Nothing personal but your friend’s aunt is talking tosh. People really should know better than to accept what they’re told third hand. Better still than to repeat it. 

    The idea that DWP target people with mental ill health for lower awards would be a national scandal if true, it’s been thoroughly investigated by the Work and Pensions Committee amongst many others and the conclusion was - and I am paraphrasing - that they’ve basically no clue on mental ill health. 

    As for the idea that only people who are “genuine” appeal. That is borderline offensive. Fraud in disability benefits is negligible and the idea that there is a deserving or undeserving poor should have left us when the 1834 Poor Law was repealed. 

    DWPs and HMCTS own research shows that, of the people who fail to proceed to appeal, many are in the midst of a serious mental health episode; have a sensory impairment; cannot physically complete the appropriate forms without assistance or have no representation to assist. 

    A fine example of someone who absolutely shouldn’t be anywhere the decision making process if they hold such views. 
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