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  • zoro
    zoro Community member Posts: 66 Courageous
    Hello every body the big issue here is not is sorting what is good and what is bad.

    I used to take cannabis in the form of a teabag.  Put into water have a herbal tea, I was in pain due to alcohol withdrawal.

    This growing popularity of any product whether herbal or spice.  Look at Tumeric and Cinnamon the new wonder spices.

    The prices and what you get differ greatly.  My concern is to look at the research. Find much information much as you can. Please can I add I am of the opinion if it helps use it.  Find good reliable source and not the web.  Make sure it is OK and be careful.  Take medical advice.  My issue is the ever growing market for these products.

    The black market the dark web and other unknown sources.  I add that with a caution.  I stopped taking it because of having certain side effects .

    Please one final point I had an issue with supply shall we say.  I am not going to add more than that.

    Is it going to be available NHS and like they do in the USA have licensed dealers.  Probably only to stop the flood of black market offers and products.

    The licensed dealers have issues in the States.  With theft and crime.  Do we want that here.
    Cannabis isn't water soluble so the only effect you'd get is from any bits that escaped the teabag and you swallowed.
    To dissolve THC you need alcohol or fat or just plain eat it and your body will dissolve it.
    Anyone thinking of trying cannabis needs to know that despite it being termed a sof drug and mostly harmless it is a very powerful mind altering substance. Very powerful.
    An inexperienced user can well feel mentally and emotionally overwhelmed by the experience.
    You might think your going crazy and end up in AnE.
    If you're determined to try it don't do it alone. Do it with a n experienced user who understands this and not all experienced users do understand it.
    Some actually find it funny to see someone inexperienced go into panic mode.

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  • CockneyRebel
    CockneyRebel Community member Posts: 5,209 Disability Gamechanger
    There is a difference between cannabis oil and Cannabidiol

    Cannabis oil containing TCH is currently illegal in the UK

    Cannabidiol does not contain the psychoactive TCH but does contain CBD
    This is legal to buy in the UK and does have some theraputic uses.

    It is up to each person to do there own research before trying CBD

    This is not a recommendation just pointing out the difference

    CR
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • Pippa_Alumni
    Pippa_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 5,793 Disability Gamechanger
    edited March 2018
    Hi everyone, just to reiterate: as we are not medical professionals, please make sure you talk to a GP or somebody else involved in your care before altering your treatment- please do not stop any of your existing treatment without seeking advice first. Different medications affect us all differently, and so it's always advisable to seek guidance from somebody with medical training beforehand.

  • sleepy1
    sleepy1 Community member Posts: 297 Pioneering
    Whilst I agree with you Pippa, I doubt many GP's or care givers know the difference between medical use of cannabis or just for recreational purposes. Many will just hear the word cannabis and say don't get involved with that. As  CockneyRebel has pointed out there is a difference and people need to be aware of that before ending up taking the wrong stuff..

    For anyone interested have a read of the links below, there are many others but these ones do give some insight.

    http://www.cannabizteam.com/news/cbdthc

    https://echoconnection.org/difference-cannabinoids-cannabidiol/
  • sandyp196
    sandyp196 Community member Posts: 142 Pioneering
    sleepy1 said:
    Hi @sandyp196, sorry to hear about the loss of your best friend and all the traumatic experience you have both gone through.  You obviously have good knowledge on this subject and I'm sure your friend would be thankful for all your help and be proud that you are sharing your experiences to highlight the disgraceful things that go on!

    The Sativex mouth spray has been licensed I think in the the UK on prescription since 2010 maybe earlier, I asked my pain specialist and neurologist about it because I also have IBS and find tablets hard to digest, but neither had heard of it.  Can I ask did your friend ever get to try the Sativex spray before the dealers took it away?
    Hello yes my friend got it on prescription.  She did use it. It was a mouth spray. But she was taking the oil in large quantities so the sativax had no effect on her at all. Iv never smoked or eaten cannabis, but I tried the spray to see what the effect was. I had a bad migraine and would have tried anything.  It definitely had an effect on me and totally eased my migraine. I asked my doctor if I could have some and he said most definitely not. My friend told me her doctor said he was only prescribing it to her because her cancer was terminal.  
  • sleepy1
    sleepy1 Community member Posts: 297 Pioneering
    @sandyp196 thanks for your feedback about the Sativex, I think it was licensed mainly for people with MS and they have found it very useful for a range of other neruological disorders but the NHS seem reluctant to prescribe it.......Maybe due to costs?  Apparently taken a couple of paracetamol will get rid of most pain.......Really!

    In the past I have had a few puffs on that horrible weed stuff that left me sat in a corner unable to speak and do not understand the allure of it at all.  Would still like to try the alternative version that has had all the bad stuff removed to see if it helps. 
  • zoro
    zoro Community member Posts: 66 Courageous
    Sativex has had nothing removed.
    It is pure cannabis in liquid form.
    It's more to relive spasticity than pain.
    If you smoked and ended up sat in the corner monged then you smoked to much.
    Good news is that kid has been granted a license to have cannabis for medicall use ... that should open the floodgates with a bit of luck.
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  • zoro
    zoro Community member Posts: 66 Courageous
    The list of medicinal uses for cannabis is huge and the fear for the drug companies is you have a few plants on your kitchen window sill and pull off a couple of leaves to relieve one of the many ailments then you won't be needing their toxic stuff.
    Cannabis can and should replace around fifty percent of toxic industrial medicine.
    Up till the 1930's very strong cannabis tinctures were the norm for many people for all manner of things.
    No one went crazy no one died and the world kept turning.
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  • zoro
    zoro Community member Posts: 66 Courageous
    edited March 2018

    Withington MP calls on government to grant Alfie Dingley medical cannabis licence.


    It's looking like it's going to happen.
    He will get cannabis oil which is about the strongest purest cannabis you can get.
    Highly concentrated.
    About time.
    This hopefully will open the floodgates where we end up with the full legalisation to do anything you wish with the stuff.
    Backed and supported by long time campaigners for full legalisation  Sir Patrick Stewart Sir Richard Branson and Joanna Lumley.
    All three openly admit to smoking weed and having dones so for many years.
    Branson did a double page spread in the Guardian about smoking at weekends with his sons.
    At last the walls of stupidity are crumbling.

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  • deb74
    deb74 Community member Posts: 814 Pioneering
    morning zoro. i was about to mention that little boy. you beat me to it. i am a supporter of the liberal democrats they have always said if they get into government one of the first things they would do is legalise cannabis.
  • whistles
    whistles Community member Posts: 1,583 Disability Gamechanger
    zoro said:
    whistles said:
    whistles said:
    Strangely enough any website in relation to this gets automatically closed by the server.


    Eta just looked on the website in regards to drug interacting with other. 
    Manufacturers advice in a red box- avoid and severe reaction to cannabis extract. 
    So that's a total no go for me. 
    Whistler CBD oil is not cannabis.
    I use it o help with sleep but it doesn't make you feel sleepy ike a pill would.
    It doesn't make you feel anything at all.
    Just when you do get to sleep it helps keep you there.
    Worth asking about interactions of course as anything can interact with medication.
    I know it's not. 
    The site would be referring to the oil, that's why it's written extract,  it's unlikely to tell you that an illegal substance mix is a bad idea. It's illegal. That's a bad enough idea for a start.
    Do not follow me, I don't know where I am going.
  • sleepy1
    sleepy1 Community member Posts: 297 Pioneering
    @zoro Hello you seem to know a lot about this subject, when I tried cannabis years ago it was purely recreational and not for medicinal purposes (before I became ill) most of my friends who were in high paid jobs were rolling/smoking joints and I guess it just depends what dose you get when a joint is passed to you.  (uncontrolled)?  As you will no doubt know it can affect people in many different ways and my experiences were not good so decided no thanks keep that stuff away from me.

    Fast forward a few years (after I became ill) and looking for alternative pain relief from the normal toxic prescription drugs that do very little other than give me terrible side effects, I came across Sativex, at first I thought yuk its that horrible cannabis stuff, but on reading further and doing a bit of research they have formulated a method that removes the psychotic chemicals thus allowing beneficial pain relief without turning you into a zombie, (or monger).

    https://www.gwpharm.com/products-pipeline/sativex-delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol-and-cannabidiol

    Recent debate in the house of Lords, scroll down to 3.00pm.  I digress, you have Dr/Lord Winston speaking with many years of medical expertise telling them of the benefits for relieving pain.  Then you have Lord Young basically saying he doesn't know sod all about it but after speaking with professional medical experts there is no medicinal value to be gained from cannabis in its raw form??

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2018-03-12/debates/1e232cb9-b1ee-40ce-aafe-cf531289dc80/LordsChamber
  • zoro
    zoro Community member Posts: 66 Courageous
    sleepy1 said:
    @zoro Hello you seem to know a lot about this subject, when I tried cannabis years ago it was purely recreational and not for medicinal purposes (before I became ill) most of my friends who were in high paid jobs were rolling/smoking joints and I guess it just depends what dose you get when a joint is passed to you.  (uncontrolled)?  As you will no doubt know it can affect people in many different ways and my experiences were not good so decided no thanks keep that stuff away from me.

    Fast forward a few years (after I became ill) and looking for alternative pain relief from the normal toxic prescription drugs that do very little other than give me terrible side effects, I came across Sativex, at first I thought yuk its that horrible cannabis stuff, but on reading further and doing a bit of research they have formulated a method that removes the psychotic chemicals thus allowing beneficial pain relief without turning you into a zombie, (or monger).

    https://www.gwpharm.com/products-pipeline/sativex-delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol-and-cannabidiol

    Recent debate in the house of Lords, scroll down to 3.00pm.  I digress, you have Dr/Lord Winston speaking with many years of medical expertise telling them of the benefits for relieving pain.  Then you have Lord Young basically saying he doesn't know sod all about it but after speaking with professional medical experts there is no medicinal value to be gained from cannabis in its raw form??

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2018-03-12/debates/1e232cb9-b1ee-40ce-aafe-cf531289dc80/LordsChamber
    Yes I do know a lot about the subject.
    Medical marijuana is top quality cannabis with nothing removed.
    Sativex is pure cannabis in a liquid form with nothing removed except the plant cellulose.
    Sativex comes complete with THC Delta 9 ... the party bit.
    CBD oil from Holland and Barrett is not cannabis.
    No high or low or any other mental or emotional effect.
    To much CBD you get the trots.
    Yes you can get high from Sativex should there be enough in the spray bottle.
    Hemp seed cooking isn't cannabis either.
    Your sheets and shirt may well be made from hemp but you can't smoke your bed or your shirt and get high.
    The cannabis oil this little bot will be getting is cannabis oil .... one of the purest and strongest forms going and rarely seen on the streets these days.
    The damn has finally been breached.

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  • sleepy1
    sleepy1 Community member Posts: 297 Pioneering
    Hello again @zoro, thank you very much for your reply I hope you are feeling better now the damn has been breached (or have I read that wrong?)
    Have got a bottle of the oil from H&B described as a food supplement containing 2.75% CBD but not tried it yet.

    Have not tried the Sativex either, got an appointment with my neurologist soon and was going to ask about trying it as I thought it would be safer due to it being licensed but don't think I will bother now so thanks for the heads up. 
    Enough problems already and my party days are well and truly over (sigh). 

    Like most people with chronic pain I am just looking for something to ease it so I can have some quality of life and do normal things without being spaced out.
  • zoro
    zoro Community member Posts: 66 Courageous
    sleepy1 said:
    Hello again @zoro, thank you very much for your reply I hope you are feeling better now the damn has been breached (or have I read that wrong?)
    Have got a bottle of the oil from H&B described as a food supplement containing 2.75% CBD but not tried it yet.

    Have not tried the Sativex either, got an appointment with my neurologist soon and was going to ask about trying it as I thought it would be safer due to it being licensed but don't think I will bother now so thanks for the heads up. 
    Enough problems already and my party days are well and truly over (sigh). 

    Like most people with chronic pain I am just looking for something to ease it so I can have some quality of life and do normal things without being spaced out.
    If you follow the dosage as on the tin of Sativex you shouldn't get high but Sativex is prescribed more for spasticity than pain.
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  • zoro
    zoro Community member Posts: 66 Courageous
    The damn has been breached if this little boy gets his license meaning medical cannabis won't be far behind and then full legalisation.
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  • zoro
    zoro Community member Posts: 66 Courageous
    Portugal have decriminalised all street drugs including heroin and what has happened?
    Drug use has collapsed just as in Spain and Holland.
    Holland have full control of drugs and prostitution so the use of class A drugs like heroin has plummeted.
    The average age of a heroin addict in Holland is in the fifties but here it's in the twenties meaning young people are not taking to it in Holland.
    Holland are having to close down prisons and lay off staff while Britain wants to build ever more of them.
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  • susan48
    susan48 Community member Posts: 2,221 Disability Gamechanger
    Can I ask zoro, can CBD oil help with sleeping?

  • sleepy1
    sleepy1 Community member Posts: 297 Pioneering
    Where do they get these stats from?  As if dealers and users will be filling in online feedback forms or writing to whoever to let them know??
  • zoro
    zoro Community member Posts: 66 Courageous
    edited March 2018
    susan48 said:
    Can I ask zoro, can CBD oil help with sleeping?

    I've started using it recently as a number of people I know advised me to try it for pain relief ... nothing.
    Works for some but not for me but it is definitely helping me sleep.
    Doesn't make you feel sleepy like a toxic tablet would.
    You feel nothing at all on CBD.
    But a drop under or on the tongue and hour before bed is helping.
    It's helping to the point the bedding hasn't moved by morning and I'm finding I'm quite often waking up on the side I fell asleep .... have'nt moved or hardly and feel relaxed and refreshed.
    It was twenty quid a bottle till a couple of weeks ago now it's a tenner but it won't last at that price.
    No heavy head in the morning is good.
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