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rosiejoe
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Attended pip assessment. Major panic attacks,left building,returned. Within actual room more panic attacks, given tissues,AC turned on,door left open,crying,shaky etc. Been awarded zero points by decision maker. Now have a copy of assessors report. It's says I was calm , no signs of sweating,not dizzy,walked unaided from reception, I didn't ,I stopped twice. is this when your assessment starts? Said I was observed opening water bottle and zip on my bag. So I have no issues. This statement used as justification on all have areas.I have severe tendonitis in wrists, stops me doing many things. Am appealing. Can I say assessor blatantly lied and thus decision maker based points on incorrect information. This is what I believe.
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Your next step is to request a MR.
Do not delay you only have 4 weeks to do this. https://www.turn2us.org.uk/Benefit-guides/Challenging-a-Personal-Independence-Payment-decisi/Ask-for-Mandatory-Reconsideration#guide-content
More information can be found on the process at the link above. Give reasons why. -
April2018mom. I have already requested MR. Thanks
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Hi,DWP and Tribunal won't appreciate you mentioning any lies/contradictions that may have been told in the report. Trying to prove what did or didn't happen during the assessment isn't going to help your claim.They will only be interested in where you think you should have scored those points and your reasons why. Adding a couple of real life examples of what happened the last time you attempted that activity for each descriptor that applies to you.Part of the assessment is observations and the HCP will have watched you, even when you didn't realise they were doing it. You are watched from the minute you arrive to the minute you leave.Did you send evidence to support your claim? They very rarely contact anyone for this, the onus is on you to prove you qualify and not theirs.Most MR decisions remain the same so you'll most likely have to take it to Tribunal. Appearing in person will give you the best chance of a decision in your favour. Good luck.I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help.
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Hello, when we attend an assessment centre we are being watched as we approach, in and around the building and the waiting area. On my first acessment I was offered tea or coffee, being on crutches I declined, but had I accepted it would have been seen that I can carry a hot drink, hold a cup and use it you see where I am going here. While I waited others sat using their phones free WiFi, being observed again.
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@rosiejoe
Did you have someone with you?
Just wondering if it might help if that person wrote a statement on how you presented , in their view?
This would be contradicting what assessor said but without actually saying it's lies. (although tempting)
Know how you feel though, they did the same with our adult son (severe autism).
His dad (who was with him) sent his "own observations" for the MR. Also I picked apart assessors report using a social care report pertaining to the same issues. So basically proving the assessor wrong, but using other means.
We won MR and son received standard care for both.
Good Luck, keep us posted. -
Poppy123456
It's the fact that it is blatant lying to say I was calm un agitated, walked without stopping etc. This has been taken into consideration by the decision maker, the of two sentences have been used within her blurb as "justification" on the descriptors, including, is the fact that I opened a bottle and a zip. Very wrong that they can't be called out. I will get evidence. -
I realise how frustrating it is when those lies are told but it won't help your claim by pointing them out. You need to concentrate on where you think you should have scored those points and why.
I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help. -
Thanks. I will log a complaint re the lies bit. And a full letter outlining your advice to MR. Frustrated that because these people (atos etc ) are "subcontracted" they are not answerable. In any other profession you'd be held accountable, unless of course it's a directive.
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@rosiejoe - my assessment was a pile of (something) and I was fuming about some of the 'irregularities' in it..I let my anger take over and this wasn't the way to go.
Leave it for a few days, try not to worry (easier said than done I know) and then ask for a MR.
As Poppy says don't bother too much about what the assessor said, or didn't say. Proving that they have lied won't get you PIP but stating your case clearly will. Give reasons why you should be given PIP and add some examples.
As an example from your post we know that, contrary to what the assessor said, you stopped when you walked from the reception, were sweating, can't open a bottle and can't undo a zip.
On their own these aren't relevant - if you can't undo zips then you might have difficulty dressing - but you need to explain why. Can you undo buttons, and do up a belt? If not then explain why.
The same with opening a bottle - can you open jars etc when cooking or do you need an aid or some help.
Good luck - I hope that things turn out OK...
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Cristobal. Thank you. I've calmed down a bit and requested letters from physio,CBT n gp
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@rosiejoe - you must be very relaxed - it took me a lot longer to calm down.
If I can offer another suggestion?
Others disagree I know but I personally don't feel that letters from GPs etc are the way forward.
If you have them then read closely what they say.
A lot of the medical stuff I have is a summary of what I was moaning about, tests, examination and what my GP concluded. They're not a lot of use for PIP.
If they're about what you can and can't do, based on the medical practitioner's examination, then send them.
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Oh Rosie. i have read so many posts like your`s. The lies are incredible.
And this is allowed to continue.
I despair, I really do. -
I also agree that letters from GPs aren't the best evidence to send because a GP will only usually know the basics, they don't usually know exactly how your conditions affect you unless you tell them what to write. Then it could be seen as patient lead.
I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help. -
Pollyanna1052 poppy123456 cristabol, if only I'd recorded it lol. I will go through each descriptor and give examples. But I will mention that relevant observations were omitted. Thank you all. Hopefully the recording of these assessments become standard practice. Nothing to hide nothing to fear.
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