Lies in assessors report.
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@jass - you can ask for a mandatory review and emphasise that you walking is poor but take into account that they will review the whole award and it could go down. I think that you would be best to get professional advice on this face to face near you.
When establishing how far you can walk limited pauses are included (i.e. it doesn't mean that your walking has stopped completely) but not if you have to stop because of the pain.
It might be worthwhile checking what the length of an 'average' double decker bus is. I believe the London buses are about 10metres - If DWP are using this as a guide then it tends to support the fact that you are unable to walk 20m which is the distance for a higher rate mobility award.
Good luck ...
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The assessor I saw put in her report that because I can drive a car I can walk up to 50m, honestly they make it up as they go along and copy and paste so much, my report is complete rubbish. I rang DWP today to see if a decision had been made, apparently it was done today but they couldn’t tell me what it is because it wasn’t showing on the screen yet...letter in post, but I can ring on Monday if I want to know before letter arrives, but don’t think I can cope we waiting 40 minutes in the phone queue only to be told they’ve dropped me down from higher mobility DLA to standard rate PIP mobility...as sure they will go with what assessor said, I will do a MR and appeal if necessary. Do the MR because if people don’t bother, that’s what they want..
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Hi @jass & welcome to this community, where I'm sure you'll receive both support & understanding.I believe people have complained to the assessment providers & had responses, but that won't change your claim.If you do go for an MR, as mentioned above, your whole award will be looked at again, & you could lose any/part of this, 'tho it may be increased. And, yes, please do seek local face to face advice about this.As far as any of the 'descriptors' go, including mobility, you need to say if you can't do them 'reliably,' i.e.@DuffersMum I think it's very difficult for those of us who've had to migrate from DLA to PIP to take onboard that you will not necessarily get a 'like for like' award, as the criteria are different focusing more on the problems you face rather than any diagnosis you might have as far as PIP goes. However, I do hope you receive the award you feel correct soon.
if it's not safe to do so; causes you pain during/after an activity; or you're very slow at achieving an activity (such that it takes you more than twice as long as someone without your problems would have).
Altho' many don't have their decision overturned with this MR, many do receive a more favourable decision especially if appearing in person at a Tribunal.
As @cristobal has mentioned, I 'think' 20 metres is approx. 2 bus lengths. For the enhanced rate, if able to walk, it's between 1 & 20 metres; more than 20, but less than 50 metres, you would just get the standard rate....so I would be wary about saying you can walk 20 metres without mentioning this needs to be done slowly, & you would be stopped by the pain.
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People must remember that these assessments are not medicals, they are basically a way for you to make clear your care/mobility needs by answering the questions asked by the assessor. If you go for an MR then you must make clear where you think you should have scored points but didn't.
There is little purpose served by pointing out that the assessor lied it won't get you anywhere.
OP how many points did you score?2024 The year of the general election...the time for change is coming 💡 -
There is little purpose served by pointing out that the assessor lied
Maybe not but it would certainly give a lot of satisfaction and may help to decrease the bitterness those of us have to live with after being lied about!
Furthermore, I bet it would be different if we lied about them?
If we concocted stories about what happened in the assessment room.? -
paffuto10 said:There is little purpose served by pointing out that the assessor lied
Maybe not but it would certainly give a lot of satisfaction and may help to decrease the bitterness those of us have to live with after being lied about!
If it gets to Tribunal, mentioning the lies/contradictions could harm a case. A poorly presented case often leads to refusal. If any complaints need to made send them to the health assessment providers, details on their website.For the MR/Tribunal as advised, concentrate on where and why you should have scored those points.I would appreciate it if members wouldn't tag me please. I have all notifcations turned off and wouldn't want a member thinking i'm being rude by not replying.If i see a question that i know the answer to i will try my best to help. -
@paffuto10 - if you're keen on pursuing the "assessor lied" then I'd take this up with the assessment provider. They won't listen and will say that the assessor can't remember but, as you say, it might give some satisfaction.
Separate to that, if you feel that your PIP award was wrong, then ask for a MR. Show why you think you should be given a higher award and give examples.
Keep the two separate. -
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@cristobal
Sorry, was just having a vent there.
My result has been good this time (received decision earlier this week) but even so there are still a few lies there, which I will just let go.
Just feel hurt that ill, disabled people are being lied about.
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Thanks you all for advice I’m still feel annoyed and undecided
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Imagine if a witness in a court of law in say a larceny, or ABH case, lied. Would it be taken seriously? Of course it would! Lying under oath is a criminal offence and would be heavily punished.
So it`s a shame our assessments aren`t done after swearing to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!
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poppy123456 said:paffuto10 said:There is little purpose served by pointing out that the assessor lied
Maybe not but it would certainly give a lot of satisfaction and may help to decrease the bitterness those of us have to live with after being lied about!
If it gets to Tribunal, mentioning the lies/contradictions could harm a case. A poorly presented case often leads to refusal. If any complaints need to made send them to the health assessment providers, details on their website.For the MR/Tribunal as advised, concentrate on where and why you should have scored those points. -
chiarieds said:Hi @jass & welcome to this community, where I'm sure you'll receive both support & understanding.I believe people have complained to the assessment providers & had responses, but that won't change your claim.If you do go for an MR, as mentioned above, your whole award will be looked at again, & you could lose any/part of this, 'tho it may be increased. And, yes, please do seek local face to face advice about this.As far as any of the 'descriptors' go, including mobility, you need to say if you can't do them 'reliably,' i.e.@DuffersMum I think it's very difficult for those of us who've had to migrate from DLA to PIP to take onboard that you will not necessarily get a 'like for like' award, as the criteria are different focusing more on the problems you face rather than any diagnosis you might have as far as PIP goes. However, I do hope you receive the award you feel correct soon.
if it's not safe to do so; causes you pain during/after an activity; or you're very slow at achieving an activity (such that it takes you more than twice as long as someone without your problems would have).
Altho' many don't have their decision overturned with this MR, many do receive a more favourable decision especially if appearing in person at a Tribunal.
As @cristobal has mentioned, I 'think' 20 metres is approx. 2 bus lengths. For the enhanced rate, if able to walk, it's between 1 & 20 metres; more than 20, but less than 50 metres, you would just get the standard rate....so I would be wary about saying you can walk 20 metres without mentioning this needs to be done slowly, & you would be stopped by the pain.
distance walked and why-no more than 50 m and cos of pain etc had already been accepted buy DWP.
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